Imagine being shaped by the hands of a devout family, with a mother who lived to see a hundred years. Picture these hands molding you, filling you with faith in God and an unwavering spirit of service. That is what we explore as Sister Carol opens up about her faith journey and how her family, especially her mother, have been her inspiration. We also talk about her experiences in the Delta Sigma Theta sorority. Listen to her personal stories and the importance of servanthood in these fraternities and sororities, and how they foster a spirit of giving.
Ever wonder about the magic that happens when a passion for community service and journalism merge? Our special guest for today, Sister Carol Ware, is the embodiment of that blend. Raised during the turbulent 50s and 60s in Cleveland, her tales of childhood and the immense influence of her community radiate warmth and inspiration. She has managed to mesh her love for writing and her undying commitment to service in her stellar journalism career, and she’s here today to take us through her journey.
As we draw to an end, we tackle the sensitive but crucial topic of advocacy for minorities and health equity. Sister Carol, with her background in healthcare and communications, discusses the unique challenges faced by minority communities. We talk about the need for education and awareness and the role of data collection in healthcare. As we wrap up, we also touch upon the power of networking and continuous self-improvement. Join us this week for enriching discussions and remember to share these insights with your loved ones, and let's all strive to build lasting legacies.
Imagine being shaped by the hands of a devout family, with a mother who lived to see a hundred years. Picture these hands molding you, filling you with faith in God and an unwavering spirit of service. That is what we explore as Sister Carol opens up about her faith journey and how her family, especially her mother, have been her inspiration. We also talk about her experiences in the Delta Sigma Theta sorority. Listen to her personal stories and the importance of servanthood in these fraternities and sororities, and how they foster a spirit of giving.
Ever wonder about the magic that happens when a passion for community service and journalism merge? Our special guest for today, Sister Carol Ware, is the embodiment of that blend. Raised during the turbulent 50s and 60s in Cleveland, her tales of childhood and the immense influence of her community radiate warmth and inspiration. She has managed to mesh her love for writing and her undying commitment to service in her stellar journalism career, and she’s here today to take us through her journey.
As we draw to an end, we tackle the sensitive but crucial topic of advocacy for minorities and health equity. Sister Carol, with her background in healthcare and communications, discusses the unique challenges faced by minority communities. We talk about the need for education and awareness and the role of data collection in healthcare. As we wrap up, we also touch upon the power of networking and continuous self-improvement. Join us this week for enriching discussions and remember to share these insights with your loved ones, and let's all strive to build lasting legacies.
My initial thought was take the journalism idea and expand it. I wanted to do something that touched people Somehow in the back of my mind. I didn't know how I could connect serving others with writing, and I loved writing. My teachers always told me I was a good writer.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Be A Baller Podcast where we discuss how to build a lifelong legacy. I'm your host, coach Tim Brown. Today we'll be talking about building a legacy in community service with our special guest, sister Carol Ware. Today on the show, carol will share her commitment to being a positive role model for women in community service and how impacting the next generation of serving leaders. Carol, welcome to the show. Thank you, glad to be here. Yeah, I'm excited about this opportunity. We've been together for a while at Second Baptist Church and then you are a Cleveland native.
Speaker 1:as well, that's right absolutely.
Speaker 2:We have a lot of Cleveland folks on the show, kind of partial to that. You grew up in Cleveland during the, as we call it, good old neighborhood days. Can you talk about the village they raised you?
Speaker 1:Sure, coming up in Cleveland in the late 50s early 60s was a time where people got together and the whole neighborhood was your family, no matter where it was. The house that we lived in when I was born was a two-family house and everybody around us all those neighbors, played a part in everybody's child's role. One of our neighbors didn't have any children but he was very pivotal in mine and my cousins who lived in the same house. He played a lot of roles in our house. He was a positive role model outside of looking at just my dad, but everybody was there.
Speaker 1:My grandmothers, both of my grandmothers were around me. I spent time with both of them. My one grandmother lived actually in the same area where the school was, so when my parents had to go to work, I just came home from school and went to her house, so that was an automatic. So we had a relationship and then, like I said, my friends that I grew up in I still have some of those friends to this day we had connections with all of our parents. All of our parents was everybody's parent. That was normal.
Speaker 2:You went to college and you were in a magazine, journalism, advertising. What was your?
Speaker 3:inspiration.
Speaker 2:Were you in the school newspaper.
Speaker 1:I did do that when I was at John F Kennedy High School. I was on the newspaper, I was a part of our yearbook crew, just putting things together, but that really wasn't what drove me. I liked writing, but I also knew that there was more to it than that. My initial thought was take the journalism idea and expand it. I wanted to do something that touched people Somehow in the back of my mind I didn't know how I could connect serving others with writing, and I loved writing. My teachers always told me I was a good writer, so I wanted to do creative stuff.
Speaker 1:I didn't want to do news stuff. I didn't want to do the reporter. I didn't necessarily want to be on air doing the anchor program that when I went to college, the vast program that Bowling Green had offered news, editorial, magazine, pr. It had different aspects of journalism. It was required that you touched all of that. So I had a chance to actually walk through it and live it and after doing that I found ways to combine all those skills and later, after I graduated, it really made sense because I used all those skills in almost every job that I had down the road, even if it didn't look like what I thought it was going to look like.
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Speaker 2:Speaking of that, can you talk about your career in broadcasts and?
Speaker 1:magazine journalism. Sure. So my plan? When I first approached my senior year, I had actually interviewed with a TV station in Cleveland, had been offered a position with the Public Relations Office. It was just what I wanted, like the ideal job at the time. I also then had my first experience with real life, and the job offer was rescinded. I later discovered it had nothing to do with my skill, but it had to do with some of the internal politics that was going on at the station and someone else had been promised the job that was mine, and that person didn't have skills. That person had no training, but that person knew the right person.
Speaker 1:So I ended up having to start from scratch, which was panic mode. Thank God, I had a good relationship with my parents and they said don't sweat it. You're here at home with us, we're not putting you out on the street. We will support you, we'll find a way, which is how I ended up working with two small publications that were minority owned, so they didn't have a big budget. So my first job was actually $95 a week, but it gave me an opportunity to do the work with magazines that I had learned in class. I had to do the layout. This person had a magazine but she didn't know how to put it together. She never had anyone who was trained to do that. So I was actually able to do layout and we didn't have computers then, so I had to do it from scratch, you know, by hand and everything. But while it didn't make a lot of money, but the experience was valuable.
Speaker 1:And later with another magazine, same process, and then with a minority public relations firm and that really helped me to get my feet wet and doing a little bit more, because that PR person, while he had good skills, he had never had trained folks on his staff and he hired me and another young lady with degrees in communications. We ran it. We ran the whole business. So I was an account quote executive and handled Contracts with several banks. My largest one was with Cleveland Coca-Cola bottling company and I did their internal newsletter at the time. But with that came an opportunity to merge two things that I love. I love sports.
Speaker 1:Sports person actually played, played basketball and ran track. So I had a real connection to sports, always wanted to do something with sports. I saw a way to connect sports with that writing piece. Well, it gave me a chance to plan some community events that Cleveland Coca-Cola bottling wanted to do and they wanted to do a one-on-one basketball tournament and With that was a whole weekend of activities and they would bring in celebrities, celebrity coaches and all kinds of things, players, and because we had the Cavaliers right there, we had calves all the time. We did stuff with the Cleveland Browns. Reggie record was one of our constant.
Speaker 2:Yes, we did a lot of things with those.
Speaker 1:So I had a chance to do all of that. That was like a dream job, but it didn't pay Mm-hmm, but I had, I said to myself, I got to suck it up. It may not make a whole bunch of money, but it's gonna give me the experience that I want and that I need and I really enjoyed it. I did it for two years and when it was time to go I actually took a job to move here to Columbus and that was my eye opener because I was really my first time really on my own. But I was glad I took the time to live life the way I did it and and did. Things didn't come out like the roadmap that I thought I had planned, but it happened and it worked out.
Speaker 2:You know, the Bible says that all things work together Absolutely good, and God has a plan and all.
Speaker 1:And I learned early that whole piece about the plans I have for you. I didn't understand it growing up, but it all made sense because that was not my plan. When I moved to Columbus I said five years and I'm out of here and I've been here 38.
Speaker 2:You know, knowing that you a strong woman of faith, being a longtime member of second Baptist Church, can you talk about your faith journey growing?
Speaker 1:up. Sure Come from a very close family of Rudin grounded in the church on both sides, both my mom's side and my dad's side and actually I grew up in the same church with both grandmothers. Both of them weren't married my grandfather's wearing in my life at the time but all of us were in one church. My one grandmother was the minister of music. She was an original member of an older music group that some older folks would recognize, the wings over Jordan, which is a historical African-American choir that sang spirituals In the late 30s and that was history making in itself. But she was the minister of music.
Speaker 1:So I learned early on. I sang in the choir. I directed the choir at the age like seven. She started doing all that early, but I also, you know, bible study and doing all the little things that you do in church as a little kid. It was normal and I never saw it as punishment. It was good. So I grew up knowing that and even when I went to college we didn't have a lot of churches necessarily that were Available to us, but we found ways to have spiritual Connections while we were on campus. There was a chapel on campus and different groups would start and have services and we would pray. It didn't have to be an organized setting at the time, but it. I never lost sight of my relationship with God because I knew that's, that's what was going to get me through, no matter what. And I learned that as a child and it just stuck with me. It was not a problem.
Speaker 2:You know, speaking of that, you're blessed to have your mother just celebrate a hundred yes Still with you. Can you talk about your relationship with her and inspiration you give from her every day, sure?
Speaker 1:It's interesting. I've always felt I had a very close relationship with both my parents. I'm an only child and I knew years ago I would be close to them, we would be friends, although I respected them as my parents. We had a positive relationship and I was always sad when I heard other people talk about how they didn't get along with their parents, because I couldn't imagine that when, when my father passed in 2014, it was a no-brainer for me.
Speaker 1:I told my mother well, you'll be moving to Columbus with me, case closed. And she just said okay, and she's been here. When she first came here, she was 90 years old and I said okay, we'll do what we have to do, made whatever accommodations. I actually made adjustments. I have a space for her in my family room. She has her own, her, all her bedroom furniture she had at home. I brought it there. I actually bought a sleep sofa so I could stay in that same space.
Speaker 1:I wasn't going to leave her down there by herself. Part of it is respect, but because I love my mother and I thought that was important and it was for people to say to me and it was said well, you're not going to put her in. There's a nice, there are a lot of nice homes. I said, no, if I can do this, if I can make sure I take care of her. I want her to know that she is loved and I'm here for her.
Speaker 1:I promised her and I promised my dad little did I know the night before he passed, because he was not sick. We had had conversations, she had had a fall, she was in a hospital bed downstairs and I would get both of them ready for bed, just like kids, and he and I would chit, chat and talk, and the last thing he said to me was take care of your mother. And the next morning he didn't wake up. And when I dealt with that experience, while shocked and, yes, hurtful, I looked at him and I said dad, I got her. So for me it's, it's just what I'm supposed to do and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Speaker 2:You know, speaking of that closeness with mom and dad, what are some of those saints that you remember, or that they?
Speaker 1:have. There's a lot of them, just some of the little things is never forget where you came from. That's something that was important. Both of my parents believed in serving others, so I got that from them Didn't recognize it at the time. My father's grandmother back in the late 1800s was actually friends with different people that we read about now. Mary McLeod Bethune was one of her friends and so service and doing things for other people. So they always encouraged me to do that. They always told me to believe in myself Don't let anybody run you over and to be proud and to do my best. And those were little things my father always talked about.
Speaker 1:Just because I was a girl didn't mean I couldn't do things and I didn't understand what that meant as a kid. But as I grew up and I recognized he was telling me already don't you, don't have to stay in one lane. A lot of people thought I was going to the education because my entire family is full of educators. My dad was a principal, my mom taught, I have cousins and my grandparents, my grandmother was an educator, my uncles, everybody taught school and everybody just assumed oh, you'll go and major and I'm like, no, and my parents were okay with that. They didn't dictate. They took me on college tours before college tours were popular. Both of them were graduates of HBCUs and they thought it was a shame that nobody wanted to want it to go to college. You all want to and we're going to help you find a way to get there. So those are the things that just always stuck with me to think positive.
Speaker 2:Speaking of that you mentioned a little earlier, you were an athlete back in the day. Back in the day. How was that basketball?
Speaker 1:track experience. Good, because back then it started actually in elementary school. That wasn't popular especially then, and our gym teacher was actually a track person. So he built his girls track team, which was unheard of in an elementary school at the time. It was only a couple of schools in the city that had that and there was one school had dominated.
Speaker 1:He said oh, we got the talent we can do this and he built us up that we ended up winning what was then probably equivalent to the city lead type for elementary school and qualify for junior AAU in New York, and I loved it. I didn't realize how much I loved it, but I was also excited because my dad was a track person. He ran track at East Tech and Cleveland and then at Morehouse. So I ran track, did hurdles, I was mostly a sprinter and then got into basketball in the junior high school and played for a while. Played into high school, which was also interesting because back then girls sports nobody even paid attention, nobody had a clue. But what was significant? My senior year at the athletic banquet. That was the first year the girls team earned athletic letters because Title IX happened the year before. So we were the first girls basketball team in John F Kennedy High School to receive athletic letters.
Speaker 2:So I'm some. See you right there right, there right there. You know, we know, you're a member of a Delta Sigma Theta sorority and have had several local, regional and national positions. Who are some of the ladies that encouraged you to be involved at that higher?
Speaker 1:level. It started really with my mom just telling me you don't her. The thing she said to me when I was initiated is more to Delta than what you see in front of you. That has taken on different meanings as I've been in the organization for 47 years now. But I knew that there was more for me to do, but I didn't know what that was. I never saw myself as the person in charge, I was just a worker. But I was exposed to people when I first got out of school and went back to Cleveland. The person who was the first committee that I worked on. The chairperson was Marsha Fudge. Marsha was a few years ahead of me. She graduated from Ohio State, but Marsha we know now is the secretary of HUD. She was also the 21st national president in Delta.
Speaker 1:Then, as I came to Columbus and started working on programs and projects and co-chairing events in the chapter trying to just be low keyed I had the blessing to work with several past presidents. They would come and speak for our luncheons. So one of the first people that I met was Hortense Kennedy, who was a past president so many people love. She was from Michigan, so she was in the region and as we talked one day when she was coming for our luncheon. She said you know, I see something in you. You should consider doing something outside of the chapter. And I just kind of like, yeah, okay, right. A couple years later another now past national president, bertha Roddy, came for Founders Day, spoke and she pulled me inside. She said I'd like to see you do some other things. And I just kind of ignored it. And then, when she became president, she actually appointed me to my first national committee.
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Speaker 1:And then it started from there and then being on that national committee, being exposed to others Then I would say Wendell and Boyd. I worked with her on some things and she's a past national president, now Former president of Alabama State, I mean historically in her own right, as a scientist, an engineer. So with that I had connections with different people and it just started to happen and I started to see myself offering skills that I realized that I had. So I then had the nerve to run for regional office, which in itself was the challenge, but to be able to be elected regional director over eight states at the time. We now have the province of Ontario, canada, but at the time it was eight states with all those people. But I didn't fear it, I saw it as an opportunity and I said I have something to offer. And then later, because of all of that, then was appointed to national board positions and that's it.
Speaker 2:That's awesome as we think about sororities and fraternities up. What does servanthood mean to you?
Speaker 1:Servanthood to me is giving to others without looking for something in return. Servanthood comes from your heart that you find it the desire to actually give to someone and to do for someone and to be what someone may need, without saying I'm going to get accolades. It's not about you, it's about others. And when I look at what we learn as children, even growing up, and what God would want us to do, that's a part of what I see in that servanthood. God doesn't do things for us to get recognized. Why should we so? Servanthood for me is just giving of yourself to serve others without expecting anything back.
Speaker 2:That's a great answer. That's really what servanthood is I expect anything back, absolutely.
Speaker 4:You're the serve.
Speaker 2:I've watched that in you, actually a church just watching you maneuver around, being real low key. But just like those other ladies, there was something about it. It was something there, you know, but it's just the way it was, and after 30 years in state government you retired from the Ohio Department of Medicare, where you were a health equity administrator and served on Ohio Commission on Minority Health for several years. The question is I've been an advocate for minorities. Why was that fight so important to you?
Speaker 1:I was blessed to see some things from afar and kind of put the puzzle pieces together. Even back when I was with the PR firm in Cleveland and working with Cuyahoga County Children's Services, we led a program that was then very unique, an outreach program for foster care and adoption, trying to focus on getting more minority parents because I learned there are a lot of minority children who weren't being adopted or being put in foster care with people who look like them and part of it was an education that needed to happen in our community. So I learned that early on. I ended up coming to Columbus because of a job opportunity and ended up with the state level Department of Child and Family Services because they wanted to mimic the program we did, which was then one church, one child. That started in Illinois and we put that together in Cleveland. So that started it. So that got me to do more research, pay attention, and when I saw what was happening with that I began to see other differences in healthcare. But because I didn't work directly with it, that was kind of on the back burner. I later got invited to a position in the Medicaid department, which was still then under the Department of Job and Family Services. So I led children's health and prenatal care programs for the state of Ohio. That was my role as a section area and after working with that, doing the research, working with medical professionals, I had to do a little education, a little mini med school on my own, because I was dealing with medical providers all the time. I learned that there was some differences, even in how it was my marketing background. We get to get the word out. We want more people to get their prenatal care early, get their children in for their exams, but the message had to be different because we're talking with different populations. I understood that from a communications background, but everybody else didn't, so I had to share that. So when I kept doing all that I spent almost 18 years doing the management of those programs I started working more with the commission at one point and as I did that and I saw there's disparities, things aren't the same and we started looking at data national data, because Ohio didn't have a lot of data at the time and we talked about the fact that there's some things that we don't recognize in healthcare the delivery of services, the access to services, how people perceive their service providers, how those providers perceive them.
Speaker 1:There was a lot of information out there, but nobody wanted to talk about it. It wasn't comfortable, and I remember talking to a chief at the time in 2008, and I shared with him that there's some serious deficiencies in healthcare. When we talk about minority populations, we need to track the data here in Ohio to make sure we're on target, because we might be missing some things and other states are starting to do this. And the response I got at the time that person said to me well, where does it say we have to do this? I said so you have to be told to do data collection on a certain population, but you didn't ask that question for others. So why don't we? So in 2010, when the Affordable Care Act came and there's language in that I marched back in there to him and said here's where it says you have to do this, and we started collecting the data.
Speaker 1:Well, by that time, medicaid had become its own department. It was no longer a part of a job and family services and, as they were trying to configure certain roles and responsibilities, there was finally an acknowledgement that they need to make health equity a priority. So they created a position as health equity administrator, and that became me Now. Of course, the sad part was there was no money with it, there was no staff with it, but I was health equity but I was okay to do what I could do.
Speaker 1:But I had served on the commission representing the agency for eight years and so I got directly involved and had a chance to work with fabulous staff from the health department Chip Allen and Angela Dawson, who is the executive director of the commission and the three of us actually put together a team and we did the work to make sure that Ohio was one of the first states to actually put language in contracts with the health plans that we worked with to provide care for Medicaid folks, that they were going to track and actually make health equity a priority, and it's in language in the contracts. That hadn't happened in a lot of states and we ended up going around the country doing workshops sharing how we came together and collaborated to create that.
Speaker 2:So your conversation here is why I do this podcast. People just don't know. You know they see people, but they really don't know the story. And then we see things happen and we don't know how they happen. Especially young people. They think stuff just happens. It just happens. It doesn't just happen, it doesn't matter if they're at that table, not just a pound in the table.
Speaker 1:And it's tough because when the pandemic first hit, and if you think back on the news reports we were hearing and all of a sudden the talk was about the number of minorities who were dying and the whys, the whole issue and all of a sudden we start hearing conversations about, well, they're more prone to certain diseases. We shared all that. I still have data from reports I put together in 2005 and 2006 that said that exact same thing, but nobody wanted to hear that. And so now we unfortunately we've lost lives, but now everybody recognizes. Oh so this really was a problem.
Speaker 2:Right, right. God has his way. He has his way. You know everybody's attention. You mentioned about your mom and dad being HPCU graduates and reading your bio. I know you do a lot of work with the Niagara College Fund. Can you tell the audience why education is so?
Speaker 1:important to you. Like I said, growing up in a family of educators, my mother went to Bluefield State College in Bluefield, west Virginia first, and then transferred and graduated from West Virginia State Institute. My father's a Morehouse man. Blessed to have been there with some names that people kind of recognized, like Martin Luther King they were classmates and LaRome Bennett, who was an editor that many people knew and a historian they were roommates. So those kind of folks having those and here with them talk about their experience, college was a no-brainer. But I also had relatives in the family who also went to West Virginia State. Some went to Miles College. We had a lot of folks who went to school.
Speaker 1:So I saw there was, you know, the focus on education and I know my parents talk strongly about their experience is, of course, thinking back into what years those were. They saw love and support with UNCF, with the colleges that make up now the UNCF, and when I saw that I said okay, so I didn't go. I went to a predominantly white university but that didn't mean I can't give back to schools that benefit primarily students that look like me. So I started working before I moved here with the UNCF and Cleveland and that was a way to be able to give back. I know my parents still contributed to their alma mater.
Speaker 1:Other friends of ours who went to other schools and I began to know those, the central state folks, the folks who went to Alabama State. My dad actually took some courses at Alabama State when he was because he had a physics and math degree and he wanted to teach, so he had to take some education courses. He took them at Alabama State. So that connection told me that this is important and we need to honor education and make it positive. Even if everybody doesn't think they can go, we need to put it out there, to make it say maybe you might want to consider it, find a way. So that's why for all these years I've done as much as I could to help and we do now.
Speaker 1:As second, one of the things we do every year we started six, six years ago celebrate Education Sunday and we come to church with our various school shirts on and we make it a big deal and we tie it into our team with the UNCF walk and we've been blessed three years in a row to have won the mayor's trophy for our efforts and raising funds to get people in college.
Speaker 2:I like that education Sunday For young people. You can't, you can't be what you don't see. That's right. And being seeing people and as you mentioned about your dad being in my, it comes real to him. You know, it's just made up Right.
Speaker 1:He shared a lot and I value even more now as an adult the stories they would tell and I had a chance. We would go back and they would, you know, visit some of their friends and we would go back to Atlanta and I had a chance to meet people who now I've read their names and books and things and I've had a chance to meet those people and know that they had relationships. But I heard their stories. When I met Benjamin Mays, who was the president of Morehouse when they were in school and I actually had a chance to meet him and I was like, wow, okay, and I knew the stories, I have his books and I saw the things and the lessons that were learned. So this is something we need to value.
Speaker 2:You know this broadcast is about legacy. What does that word legacy mean to you?
Speaker 1:Legacy to me is providing a foundation for someone to build on, something to leave for those who come behind you. You may not know who they are, but if you can leave something that they can learn from, grow from, refer to help them see themselves maybe in a different light, legacy means you've left something behind that, something someone will value. I remember when I look at things you know my mom used to always tell me things. You never know what someone has gone through, but when they can tell you the story you may learn from it way down the road, way down the road. So I look at those kinds of stories and I think that's what it is. I look at my family members. I look at friends of our family who I think have left legacy in different ways, because it's going to look different for everybody and I think for me it's just doing the best I can to be of service and, you know, make sure that someone benefits, someone grows from it, and that I can feel good knowing that I've been able to make an impact.
Speaker 2:That impact you know this has been a great conversation. I ain't doing it as we turn the corner. You have a true servant's heart, and what is about Carol World that keeps you serving the community, helping others reach their potential? What is that inside of you that says, hey, I want to help this person it.
Speaker 1:I think it's just in my blood because I've done it. Naturally sometimes I'm not even aware I'm doing it, it's automatic for me. When I retired, you know, my initial vision of retirement was to go and consult and do some things. But obviously because we know God has his own plan. And when I ended up being permanent caregiver for my mom, even though 10 years ago she was in a little bit better state she didn't have the dementia and she was a little bit, you know, more agile but I knew I had a responsibility. So I couldn't do all of those things, but I was trying to find ways to stay connected so I could continue to serve.
Speaker 1:And while there was a challenge with the pandemic, one of the blessings was technology. When we had zoom, I could still be on meetings, I could still participate and I I looked for that. It gave me an outlet. It was kind of what gave me some energy to know that I could still offer my service Through different vehicles. It may not look the way we've always done it, but it helped me think that big picture of sometimes we have to change how we approach something and still be able to make a difference. So that's, it's just in me. I enjoy it, I just do it automatically.
Speaker 2:Well, I want to thank you for thank you for having that being that, that model of a couple things one is definitely of excellence Cuz, like I observe you and I'm, everything you've done, from singing in the choir, from everything has been of excellence. You know, being that model for young people about how to do things the right way and then doing it in the right spirit. There's not, like you say, with legacy or just serving now, looking to get anything back. It's just what I do. That's what I do. I'm glad you're able to share your story about your parents and grandparents and just all that's inside of us. Absolutely we can. God has a way of getting it out of us. Absolutely, we can't run from it.
Speaker 1:Thank you for this opportunity to do that.
Speaker 2:It's been a blessing, and I'm so glad that that you made your way to Columbus. Yeah, it worked out it made your way here, and this city has been truly been blessed. Well, thank you. So, as we end this broadcast, I want to thank the audience for listening to this big boy podcast, and especially guest kill, where there's always a continuous into the podcast.
Speaker 4:If you enjoyed this episode, please share this podcast with family and friends. Be a baller podcast is available on all major podcast stations. Be sure to come back next week as we continue to discuss on how to build a lifelong legacy. Until then, don't forget to be a baller. This podcast was created by coach Tim Brown. It was edited by Tehran Howe and produced and recorded by the video production class of Worthington Christian High School.