BE A BALLER -"Building a lifelong legacy"

Best of BAB Podcast - Clark Kellogg 2025 Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, Curt Gowdy Media Award Winner

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Naismith Hall of Famer Clark Kellogg appeared destined for basketball immortality after one of the most dominant rookie seasons in NBA history. But while injuries shortened his playing career, his journey in the game was far from over. Nearly 40 years after suiting up for the Indiana Pacers, Clark received his Hall of Fame recognition—not as a player, but as one of the most respected voices in basketball broadcasting.

In this powerful episode of the Be a Baller Podcast, Clark opens up about his journey from growing up in East Cleveland to becoming a college standout, NBA star, and eventually, a long-standing CBS Sports analyst. He shares how a simple piece of advice from his late mother — “If you're going to be a basketball star, you'd better be able to put a sentence together on television” — helped shape the next chapter of his life.

Faith has been the foundation of his life.  Clark credits Christ as his ‘all and driver of his life”. His favorite quote from The Bible matches the advice he was given as a young child: ‘Do unto others as you have them do unto you.’ He credited his parents for sharing that earlier in his life.

From his signature phrases like “squeeze the orange” and “spurtability” to his decades of calling March Madness and NBA 2K games, Clark reflects on building a lasting legacy beyond the hardwood. He also shares how faith, family, and purpose have grounded him through every season of life.

This episode is more than a basketball story — it’s about resilience, reinvention, and the power of legacy.


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SPEAKER_01:

Welcome to Be A Baller, where we discuss how to build a lifelong legacy. I'm your host, Coach Tim Brown. Today, we're talking about building a legacy in sports with our special guest, longtime CBS Sports Analyst, Clark Kellogg.

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SPEAKER_01:

Today on the show, we're excited to have Clark. Clark is beginning his 25th year as a CBS Sports Analysis for NCAA College Basketball. Clark has had success at all levels during his playing career and has continued his success off the court. Today, Clark is going to share how sports has allowed him to build a lifelong legacy in basketball. basketball, both on and off the court, and give some advice on building a lifelong legacy in sports. Thanks for being a guest, Clark, on Be A Baller podcast.

SPEAKER_02:

Tim, my pleasure, man. Great to hang out and look forward to having a nice little conversation to chop it up here. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah. Clark, you know, we both were blessed to spend our early years in East Cleveland. Can you talk about growing up in a loving home and a caring community that helped you become the man you are today?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, it starts at the beginning, Tim. You know that the foundation that was laid under my roof in East Cleveland with my mom and dad I'm the oldest of five. And I had all of my grandparents in the same city at that time as I was growing up, extended family, aunts and uncles and cousins. And then the community, folks that lived in the neighborhood where I grew up in East Cleveland, where we grew up in East Cleveland, were caring folks, hardworking folks. There were stable homes in our neighborhood for the most part. And all of that had a positive impact. My dad was a policeman in Cleveland as we were growing up. He was in uniform for a while. Then he went on to be a plainclothes detective. And he was really the one who got me started in sports. But there was a camaraderie, a love, a consistency, not perfection in our home, but there was the presence of mom and dad, the extended family that was part of our network. And then the neighbors we had all cared for one another. And that certainly helped me get off to a good start and laid a nice foundation for me as a young man, but also as a guy who was falling in love with basketball pretty early.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, as I recall growing up, I remember you on the courts at Chambers. Yeah. But I never saw you on the baseball field.

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Oh, no, no,

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no, no, no. Never baseball.

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I played a little football. My dad was a police athletic league

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pal. Oh, yeah.

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Was actually a tremendous organization that provided policemen in various neighborhoods across the city of Cleveland and around the country that use sports as a vehicle to connect with their communities and the young people in their community. So my dad and a couple A couple of his partners coached a police athletic league, PAL for short, football team. So I played organized football for like one season. But then he coached a basketball team. And then once I hit basketball at about 10, I fell in love and all the other sports became spectator sports for me. I participated in basketball, but the other ones I enjoyed just watching.

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You know, you had a great high school career, high school All-American, a college career. It was a first round NBA, top pick in NBA draft. But your playing days kind of ended shortly at the

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NBA.

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Can you talk about how your faith helped you transition from playing to your next career?

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Yeah, you know, I had a wonderful journey in the game. You mentioned it. High school at Cleveland St. Joe's and then on to college here at The Ohio State University and then had a chance to realize that dream of being an NBA player. Got drafted by the Pacers in the top 10 of the draft back in 82 and had a promising pro career in front of me. I proved early on that I could play and play well and potentially could have been an all-star perhaps, but ended up having some issues with my left knee, warway cartilage. And that basically ended my playing career at 26 is when I had to retire from the NBA because of my left knee issues. And it was during that time prior to retiring that I actually came to faith in Christ. It was a combination of things and it was a buildup over time. I didn't grow up going to church much, had a God consciousness growing up, but never really was in church, didn't understand what a relationship with Christ meant or not. I basically tried to be a good person, tried to be respectful of others, to treat people the way I wanted to be treated, to be serious about doing well in school, to represent my folks and my family well. Those were the kind of things that were kind of my guardrails. But as I was working through my knee injury and had three operations, 84, 85, 86, it was during the last one that I actually encountered a pastor who started conducting chapel services. And it was through him exposing the word of God over time to me that I became aware of God having created me to know and to reflect his image in the earth. And I couldn't do that in my own strength. I needed somebody to bridge the gap between my sinful nature and the holy God who gives me life and breath. And it was over a period of time that I came to a place where I recognized my need for what only Christ could provide, a gap between my sinful nature and the holy God who gives me life and breath. bridging relationship to be right with the God who gives me life and breath. And I bowed my heart and life to Christ in November of 86, Tim. And I retired officially in August of 87. So that was about nine months after I committed my heart and life to Christ that I made the announcement that I couldn't continue to play NBA basketball. And during that time, I was growing in faith. I had a number of good men come alongside me, our pastor at our church at the time really girded me in scripture and helped me to see that God's purposes and plans for me would go beyond playing basketball. It would now become the center of my life, that relationship. And that really anchored me, even as I cried tears over not being able to continue to play. That was hard for Rosie and I both. I mean, that was really hard because I was a good player. It was something I had dreamed about doing and to have it cut short unexpectedly, uh, was a difficult blow. But because I had given my life to Christ, I knew my future was in his hands and my life was in his hands. And I sought to walk in that assurance and that truth. And that's really the most transformational decision that I made was to give my heart and life to Christ. And that was, again, almost 36 years ago now.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think in sticking it biblically in the Bible, Jeremiah talks about God as a purpose for our life. future and a hope. To prosper us

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and not to harm us. And

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it's a journey.

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It is. It's

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a

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never-ending journey. We have the promise of eternity, but we also have the promise of God's presence through His Word and His Spirit and the person of Jesus Christ to live out that new life that He's provided to us by faith. We receive that by faith and then we walk in it by the power of the Spirit and the instruction of His Word and the fellowship that we have with one another as fellow believers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So how did your experiences and success in playing the game help you as you began your broadcasting career?

SPEAKER_02:

It was everything, Tim, because I had an education in playing basketball that very few get. I mean, I started playing at 10 years old, played in middle school, high school, college, and then the NBA. You can't go any farther in the game than that. So I had a tremendous education Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I love the game. So I knew I had a chance to do it well. But my experience provided me the entree into the opportunity because I had a unique experience. It's like if you coached a game or if you grew up in a business industry, there's some inherent knowledge that you have that's valuable and that can be useful in other aspects. So that was the case for me, having played and achieved at each level and then having that cut short because of injury or ended because of injury. I didn't know exactly what I wanted to do when I had to retire. Thankfully, I was in a decent financial position for Rogue. We had just had our first child. So I was in a good position financially. We weren't in any stress or strain there, thank God. And so I had a chance to start at the very bottom. I didn't need to make a lot of money broadcasting. And as I stepped into it, I said, I think I can do this at a high level. But having played the game and been around the coaches and teammates that I had been around and why as much as I had experience in all of that, gave me a pretty rich reservoir of knowledge if I could figure out a unique, entertaining, informative way to bring it to the microphone. And I went to work to try to figure

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out how to do

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that,

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man. Yeah. How was that first game experience? How was that first game? Oh,

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there's so many different experiences I had. You know, initially I was doing radio. My first beginning as a broadcaster was doing radio for the Indiana Pacers. So part of my job was to do a pregame interview with the opposing coach. And this is back in the day before phones and all of the high tech equipment we have now. So I had a big box of a recorder that I would have to carry around with a little cassette in it to do the recording. And I went to interview, I'll never forget this. It was Matt Gukas. He was coaching the Milwaukee Bucks. And I went in and I thought I was recording him. But after I got done with the four or five minute interview, I went back to replay it in my little cubicle. And all I was hearing was ssss. laughs I hadn't hit record. I had done that interview. I hadn't hit record. So I had to go. I said, you know, I went back. You know, coach's time before the game, man. They've got it blocked out. But I went back. I just humbled myself. I said, can we do this? Please, Matt, can we do this again? I didn't quite get it. He was gracious and so forth. So we did it. But there were countless mistakes, mess ups, things I said that I shouldn't have said. But I always sought coaching and advice from experienced broadcasters. that were doing it at a high level. What do I need to do to get better? Then I listened to my stuff as painful as it was sometimes early on to hear myself talking and messing up words and all that. But I knew the game and I showed potential and I got better fast because I was willing to do the work. But man, it was, and then I did Cleveland State University TV that same year, 87, 88. I did Pacers radio, did about 70, 75 games on radio. Then I did like eight or nine games on local TV in our hometown of Cleveland for Cleveland State University and that was the beginning of me beginning to get some traction and I said I can go after this just like I played and I want to excel I don't want to be average I think I can be really good so lo and behold here we are man 30 plus years later I'm still they haven't they haven't kicked me out yet so I'm still still showing up man

SPEAKER_01:

still showing up you shared something great on there you know people see you on TV and look so effortlessly you know you do a game broadcast and all that can you take the audience behind Well, there's

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no work. There's no success without work. Okay, so anything that we do, if we're going to do it well, it's going to require a cost. And that cost is effort and work and learning and growing. And I've embraced that part of what I gained from being an athlete. And I think this is one of the great values and being involved in athletics or extracurricular activities in general, is that you begin to understand the relationship between effort and resilience. Results. Diligence and results. The Bible says that nothing comes to a sleeper but a dream. I'm paraphrasing. I'm paraphrasing. That's my father's way of saying that you've got to put some work into a sluggard craves. This is the actual passage, okay? A sluggard craves and gets nothing, but the desires of the diligent are fully satisfied. Proverbs 13, 4. So there's a correlation. And when you played sports, you under You get a chance to experience that. The work you put in during the week is part of what's going to show up when you get on the field or court or track on the weekend. Right. I love what I get to do. Like right now, as we're recording, it's about to be basketball, the start of College Hoops. I've already started filling up my notebook, reading articles, taking notes, trying to learn 90 to 100 teams to some degree. So I'm watching. I don't even count the hours, Tim, because it doesn't make any difference. It's just a matter of what does it take to be ready and prepared for my job. I watch multiple games a day. We have access to games that are televised. I I can watch them on my phone or iPad. And I take notes on every game that I watch so that I can go back and review why this team won, why the other team lost, who are their best players, what is the makeup of their roster? Are they experienced? Are they graduate transfers? Are they young? And then what's their nickname? What's their style of play? So I keep a running notebook all year. And then I highlight key components of the notes that I take so I can go back and review them. So there's a lot of reading, a lot of watching the tape. But man, it's so much fun to be connected and engaged with the game that for me, it just doesn't feel like work. As a matter of fact, most of my buddies don't think I have a real job because it's seasonal. I get paid a decent amount and it's so much fun. It does require a level of work. It's a different kind of work, but it does require some work. So that's how I go about it, man. I tell folks, I don't like to go on the air naked. I want to be ready. I want to be able to speak with conviction and my opinions You may not agree with them, but I've based them on some work. I haven't just pulled stuff out of the air. I'm basing what I say on what I've seen. And that,

SPEAKER_01:

to me, is part of my job. Yeah. That hits on when we talk about that foundation. Yeah. Solid. That foundation has to be that preparation. You know, there was an opportunity you got with CBS.

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Yeah.

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I know you're doing a lot of ESPN, Pacers and all that. How did that opportunity come about? You

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know, it's amazing because of the work I was doing with the Pacers. The Pacers gave me my first job. I'm forever indebted to them. I mean, I'm part of that franchise for over 30 years, both as a player, as a broadcaster, and I worked in the front office. So the Pacers gave me my start in broadcasting. I started on radio for the Pacers Network. And ultimately, after two years, ended up doing 20 plus years of TV for the Indiana Pacers while I was developing as a college analyst, initially at Cleveland State, Big East Network, Atlantic 10 Network, then ESPN. And I spent eight years at ESPN and it was there that CBS saw me. Their wide Everybody's watching everybody else in terms of the networks and so forth. And there was a guy there, Rick Gentile, who was overseeing production and talent at CBS, really enjoyed what I did because I was doing studio and games, which was a really good stroke of good fortune and grace for me to excel in both of those spaces. And so CBS reached out when my contract was up at ESPN in 1997 and inquired about me coming on with them. And it was an easy Yes. Even though I love ESPN and they helped me get to the statue where I got to because of all the games we could televise and all the shows we could do. But CBS had the rights to the tournament then. And they've obviously kept them for all of these years. And to have a chance to be part of the tournament was huge. And then the workload would go down a little bit and the salary would go up. So that was easy. That was an easy, yes. Tournament, tournament rights, your workload slightly reduced.

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Right.

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And your

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salary nicely increased. So it was

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just a no brainer. So that's how it happened, though, based on what I was doing at ESPN. They saw me, liked what I was doing, what I was about. And it's been a really good, good fit and a wonderful journey and run for the last 20, well, since 97. So we're coming up on 26 years

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now. You know, you've been blessed to work alongside some great top lead broadcasters, James Bond, Jim Nance, Greg Gumbel, Ernie Johnson and others. What have you learned? from them along the way?

SPEAKER_02:

The one thing I would say from all of the different broadcast partners that I've had, and there are tons of them. I mean, you go Chris Fowler, Mike Tirico, the late John Saunders, Bob Carpenter, Fred White, Denny Schreiner was my first partner at Cleveland State University, my first TV partner, Jerry Baker. I mean, I've worked with some phenomenal guys, Mike Patrick, so many really outstanding broadcasters. And the one thing that, one universal thing, that I would take, particularly from the play-by-play guys that I've been able to partner with, is the professionalism and the preparation.

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All

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of them do it differently, but all of them have a commitment to the preparation and to the storytelling and to the work that goes into that. And that to me is what I've taken most away. Different styles, I've loved and enjoyed all of my broadcast partners because I think it's important not only to have good partners, but to be a good partner. And these guys have been great partners for me over the years in different elements of what I do as an analyst. But the personalism and the preparation and the commitment to storytelling. And then the other thing is never mailing it in. They show up every time

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as if it's the first time. That's good.

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Even if they've seen the team multiple times, they'll show up and still do the same due diligence, the same questions, the same interaction with players and coaches and sports information directors, the same level of work to be ready for whatever stories might unfold and to handle their responsibilities as kind of the traffic cops of the broadcast. I get to react and respond to what I'm seeing, so too do they, but they also have some elements that they might want to interject into the background information, a unique story or circumstance that will add to the viewer's enjoyment. So the storytelling and the preparation and the commitment to not take any shortcuts or mail it in, to always do the necessary work for each particular broadcast. Hey there, Clark Kellogg here. Building a legacy usually involves meeting the unique needs of others and being part of something bigger than yourself. That's why I love First Merchants Bank. First Merchants believes that helping communities prosper means more than just providing banking services. It means offering accessible financial education, expanded access to home ownership and partnerships with local nonprofits to help raise up neighborhoods and lift families out of financial hardship. For resources and tools available to you, visit www.firstmerchants.com. Member FDIC, Equal Housing Lender.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, you know, we got to talk about these basketball words.

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Yeah, I've created a few of

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them

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that

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tend to make people laugh. Let me give you a couple, some of these, you know, spurtability.

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Yeah, that's probably the favorite

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one. Most folks. That was a lower body root canal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Squeeze the horns. Yeah, yeah. Stat seat stuffer. Yeah, that's

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one of my favorites. Yeah, stat seat stuffer. Supreme is another

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way to say it. Yeah, you got to run through the park to get to the dog.

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Yeah, you got to go through the process, man. All of these things. Now, part of my, a couple of things. One, I like to compound words. So if I can create a word that fits a basketball situation or description, then I like, smurtability clearly came from that. The 1996 Kentucky team was explosive. Antoine Walker, Walter McCarty, Ron Mercer, Tony Dell. And they won national championship in historic fashion at the time. And they would blitzkrieg teams, 12-2, 14-0. These kind of runs, they would happen multiple times in the game. So spurts and the ability to– that's how it came up, spurtability. They were the team that prompted– that I give credit to helping me to create that because they did that. so often with such four. Stat sheet stuffer. Supreme is just another way to say a triple-double guy, basically, in basketball. Somebody that's stuffing the stat sheet in every category. So there's the stat sheet stuffer, but then there's also the stat sheet stuffer supreme. And I like alliteration. I like alliteration. So the four S's right there. And then squeeze the orange flame. That's a simple way to make sure you're taking care of the ball because if you want orange juice, you have to squeeze the orange. If you want something good out of the possession, you You got to take care of it. And then I try to use stuff that people can relate to. I'm big on food analogies when I try to make some of the connections and things that happen in everyday life. Everybody's not, you know, not everybody knows the terminology of basketball. So I've got to be careful that I'm not... talking too much basketball. So I try to make it common. And I have fun with it. I have fun with trying to come up with it. And then it's really fun when I actually have a legitimate word that maybe Greg or Charles haven't heard used the way I use it. And then they want to question me as to whether it's a real word or not. And I've already done my homework. So I know it's a real word. So I love words, man. I have fun with words. So I try to have that fun show up in our broadcast. Run me through the park to get to them dogs. Well, again, just the fact that you've got to get, you've got to, there's a process and there's a pathway. Right. And you can't skip it. You've got to be willing to sometimes go through some challenge to get to something else. Right. You know, to get to something else that's good or positive.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's good. That's good. You know, and these, over these last three decades, what has kept you relevant? You know, because there's some different, different style of basketball. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, different attitudes, different, different coaching styles. And you've been able to do this for three decades. Yeah. What has helped you stay relevant?

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I think there are a couple of things. One, I've always been true to myself. I've been me. I mean, I'm an out, well, you know me for, you see, since I was 12, 13 years old. And I've always been kind of a positive guy. Right. And I've enjoyed people. And so that's real. I mean, that's how I am. If you showed up at my house and watched a game with me, you see the same guy that you see on TV. I mean, enthusiastic, passionate, sometimes a little loud. Right, right. You know, when I get animated about it. a topic or have conviction about something, I can get a little crazy. But that's me. So being real and genuine. I love what I do. And I think that comes out. It's not fake. I have great enthusiasm for the game. I love the participants in the game. I like to see young people thriving and achieving and benefiting from what the game offers. I love seeing coaches mold and shape young people through the game. I love the competition of it, the excitement of it. And I'm grateful. I've got a grateful heart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. number of other broadcasters that many people would know have been part of the commentary for that really popular game. It's a worldwide game and it's one of the top three or four sports video games in the world. And so a generation of young folks, if they don't watch the NCAA tournament, but do play video games and play that one, they'll know my voice. And then sometimes by hearing my voice and maybe seeing me on television, if they're watching College Hoops, they might dig into Well, where did this guy start? But some of them just know me from the video game. And so that's connected me to a full generation. I mean, a matter of fact, there are a number of times when I'm traveling around in the airport or at an arena and folks will talk about my commentary in the video game. So I think all of those elements of being true to myself, having a sense of gratitude for what I get to do, a real genuine enthusiasm for it. And I've got kind of a unique style because of the way I like to mess around. with words and the way I describe the action. And then I started to try to stay connected to current terminology and around younger players to kind of pick up on some of the ways they're seeing and saying things. So I think all of that helps. And in the NBA 2K video game, I can't dismiss that as a significant piece of that connectivity and relevance puzzle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You mentioned Chuck, Kenny, and Ernie earlier. Can you talk about the bad fun instead It seems you guys are having it.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, all of those guys are terrific guys. Ernie, Kenny, Charles, obviously, and Greg Gumbel. Those are the main five. Seth Davis is my colleague most of the time during the regular season, and he kind of heads up the studio down in Atlanta. But all of those guys are great professionals, love the game, enjoy people, and are naturally funny people. I mean, Ernie's got a great sense of humor, tremendous storyteller. So is Greg. And then you think about Charles. He's just naturally funny, and he's unafraid to filter himself. I mean, he's unfiltered. And people appreciate and respect that. He's not malicious in any way. He's always pleasant and respectful, but he'll say what he's thinking. And I think people really enjoy that. He's become an unbelievable television personality because of his credibility as a Hall of Famer, as a player, but also his authenticity. He's genuine. He likes people. He loves people. He enjoys the game. He's got a great heart and he's funny. And so when we're hanging out, out together on air or off air, we're laughing a lot. And for a lot of different reasons. And all of us can contribute in our own unique ways. Kenny's a little more professorial, but he's hilarious. And Ernie is a really good pot stirrer. He likes to kind of figure out how to jab and keep things going. And Greg does too in this little low-key way. He likes to jab you and do that. So it all works. And we We enjoy each other. We love being part of the tournament. So all of that is why we are and come off as having a great time because we do. We enjoy it. It's only three weeks that I get to hang out with those guys. But it's a, your laughing muscles get a great workout in those three weeks, man. I love being with those guys.

SPEAKER_01:

As we kind of turn the corner, when you think about the word legacy, which is what this broadcast is all about, what does that word mean to you?

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It's deep and it's multifaceted, Tim, but But at its core, it's really impact and influence while you're living, but also what you pay forward for those who are coming behind you in terms of example. Receiving life through God by way of faith in Christ and then offering that life in all of the ways you can to others directly and indirectly through your words and your actions. So it's influence and impact is what I would say. think about when i think about legacy how have i honored god with the life he's given me and the resources and opportunities and gifts he's given me and how have i helped uplift people my spouse our children our grandchildren friends acquaint how have i moved people up and forward by how I've lived. That to me is like, then the passage of scripture that comes to mind, one of my favorites, Proverbs 22, one and two, a good name is more desirable than great riches. To be esteemed is better than silver or gold. Rich and poor have this in common. The Lord is maker of them both. That encompasses a lot of what legacy is. For me, impact, influence, through how you glorify God with what he's given you and what your name means and has meant to other folks.

SPEAKER_01:

So as you reflect back on your playing career, broadcasting career, what is the legacy of Clark Kellogg personally built on?

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It's really foundationed on my relationship with Christ. That's the anchor and center and throne of my life, that relationship. And how am I walking and living that out daily. That legacy is based on who God created me to be and who he says I am and how am I walking and living that out day to day.

SPEAKER_01:

Amen. Well, Clark, this has been great. It's always good to be with you, man. Always good to be with you, my

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brother.

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Appreciate you. So this brings us to the end of this episode. Thanks to Special K, Clark Kellogg, for joining us and sharing that insightful discussion on his journey to building legacy in sports, both on and off the court. We hope today's broadcast brought value and encouragement to you. As always, thanks for listening to Be A Baller.

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