BE A BALLER -"Building a lifelong legacy"

How A Girls AAU Basketball Program Grew Into A Movement For Generational Impact

• Coach Tim Brown, Uncommon Life • Season 6 • Episode 8

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Coach Tim Brown and his wife Karmen Fields-Brown join us for a special Be A Baller Podcast -  Next Up Ballers crossover to unpack how a girls’ basketball program, a van full of athletes, and a whole lot of faith grew into a movement that equips families, schools, and churches. From the first seeds they planted to the stories that now span generations, they show how purpose turns small acts into lasting change. Tim and Karmen believe legacy isn’t a trophy but a trail you leave in people’s lives?

We dig into the true origin of Be A Baller, the TAKE/ABC vision, and why talent without values drifts. Karmen shares her roots in a tight-knit community where church and family set the rhythm, while Tim credits a sixth-grade teacher whose standard of excellence reoriented his life. Together they lay out a simple framework: faith as the foundation, family as the first ministry, and community as the multiplier. The conversation tracks their COVID-era pivot into podcasting, guests who were ready to be heard, and the consistency that keeps people coming back.

If you’re a parent, coach, teacher, or young leader, you’ll hear direct, practical wisdom: write a vision you can live by, guard it when life gets loud, and make your legacy in the everyday reps—showing up consistently , speaking kind words, and offering real opportunities. You cannot be what you cannot see, so model what you want multiplied. We close with two simple challenges you can do this week to move your legacy from idea to action.

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SPEAKER_04:

I would say one thing I know that people are always watching. And so we have tried to do our best for sure with the power of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, to just to lead God and direct us so that we might be able to say those things and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And so I think sometimes on the outside looking in, people try, you know, we look at each other and say, well, how why are you doing this or how are you doing that? And we really, we know that if it had not been for the Lord on our side, we know that he is the foundation and he has really kept us so that we could do the things that we're doing.

SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to Be A Baller, where we're building a lifelong legacy for our families, communities, and the world. Your host, Coach Tim Brown, is excited for you to join him on this journey. On each episode, we'll be talking about how to be intentional about building a lasting legacy. We'll be exploring what it means to leave a mark that goes beyond just our lives, but has a positive impact on those around us and even generations to come. So if you're looking for inspiration, guidance, and practical tips on how to build a lasting legacy that makes a difference, then you're in the right place. So grab your earbuds, get comfortable, and let's dive in. It's time to be a baller.

SPEAKER_02:

What's up, ballers? Welcome to a special crossover episode of the Be a Baller Podcast in the Next Up Ballers Podcast, a multi-generational conversation on building a lifelong legacy. Today, we are going back to the origin, to the couple whose life, leadership, and obedience sparked an entire movement of legacy builders. On this episode, we're sitting down with the founders, Coach Tim Brown and his wife, Miss Carmen Brown, to unpack where the Brown legacy began, what shaped it, and how it became what we know now to be Be a Baller. Coach Tim Brown, Mrs. Brown, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you. Thank you. It's nice being on this side. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

You're so used to doing all the interviewing. Now you're in a hot sea. How's it feel?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, it's different. All right. It's hot.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, we're gonna go ahead and jump right into it, all right? Okay, so friends, this one's special. We're bringing the generations together today. Be a baller and next up ballers, all in one place. But before we jump in, when you hear the word legacy, what comes to mind for each of you right now?

SPEAKER_01:

Legacy um for me is a is a building block. Something that's been built, something that's built over time. Every day, every moment. You look back at your life, you kind of see where as you get older, you can see how, oh yeah, that's what that fits. You know, how the Bible says all things work together for the good of those who love the Lord and are called according to his purpose. And the key for me in that scripture is purpose. You know, you look back at life, you can say, oh, this is what this is what that was for. This is the purpose of all us. That's what legacy means. It's building, building.

SPEAKER_04:

And I would say the foundation. Sometimes we don't understand that there is something that started it. And so there is a foundation before you even uh actually see the finished product. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

I think that's a great segue uh to my next question, which is before the podcast, before the pledge, before the platform, take us back to the beginning. For those who may not know the full story, what sparked Be A Baller? And what was happening in your life that made you say, you know what? This is a message we need to share with the world.

SPEAKER_01:

Because we began um with um work with families and children. That was the whole hot button. And it really started with uh Carmen and I one day. We were driving along. I was involved in in basketball, I was doing girls' basketball uh back in Central Community House, actually, was coaching girls' basketball because nobody wanted to do girls basketball. So I had the opportunity to do that. I was thinking about the girls. Yeah, and we were riding around, and then Carmen can share from there the vision that the Lord placed in our spirit.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, actually, uh, when we when you say our names, his name is Timothy Austin, T A, and mine's is Carmen Yvette, spells Carmen with a K and Yvette with the E. And we came up with the word take. And we start really thinking about what that meant for us, and it meant to take advantage of the things that God has already presented to us. And he's already given us a foundation of his word, and he's given us an opportunity to share. And so we've taken those things and allowed people to know that first we're first Christians. We love the Lord, and we know that's why we're where we're at, because he uh leads and guides us.

SPEAKER_02:

So it started off with the wanting to help girls' basketball, then the name came. And then what? How did we get to be a baller? What how was that the the foundation of setting up be a baller and wanting to establish this legacy momentum?

SPEAKER_01:

I think when you when you when I look back on it, when we look back on it, we look at those young ladies who were involved back then.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

And now we look at the things they're doing today.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

And so that's that's where the whole legacy comes in. You know, we're we started out with girls just playing basketball. Now we have we've had young ladies who have coached basketball, who have children that are playing basketball, you know, who they're basketball officials. And all that started from basically a seed, a seed that was planted. And and the first seed was getting education. You know, we're being able to get a college education through basketball, through sports. And then the other thing was we uh we started, we had Take ABC uh, achievers, believers, and challengers, you know, if you're willing to accept and take the challenge. But then it got to the point where we recogniz something was missing. You know, young ladies were going to college. There's kids, period, going to college, and they weren't finished, and we recognized that it's because of they needed those morals and those values, you know, of uh of knowing the Lord, you know, so they can sustain through those temptations and trials. We all go through them. Right. So we just felt since we had the platform, we have an opportunity to um instill those things, at least expose them to those things, which is all part of legacy, you know. When you get to this point, you begin to look back and see that, wow, that's what that was for. You know, and that's where all this has evolved to this now.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. So you all started establishing those building blocks for even just those young ladies, you know, with the basketball program and incorporating those morals and how they can start having a relationship with Christ and what how that can start, just kind of um incorporating that in their lives and as you said, onto the lives that they will eventually impact or have started to impact. So I think that's beautiful. I think it's also important to also talk about where the foundation for you all began. So, where did it where did legacy begin for you two? Was it modeled for you? Was it something that you had to create from scratch? You know, to be able to pour into young women um from the onslaught of you all's trajectory. What how did that even start for you two?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, for me, um my name, my um name is Carmen Fields Brown. And when I think about the Fields family, um we have a foundation. Um there's uh organ it was called my grandpar grandfather and some of his and his brothers, we had they had something that was called the the uh Fields um the Fields Brothers, basically the Fields brothers. And and just the the for me, um growing up in a in a it was a community called the American Edition in Columbus. And all my uncles, uh my and my grandfather, everybody lived in the same community. And so that foundation, just always being around them, seeing the things that they do, they do, uh it's really just been a great foundation. And everyone uh went to church. Nothing and our church was in that community as well. And so um I think that that has really blessed me and brought and given us the foundation of what where we're at today.

SPEAKER_01:

I think my uh foundation was similar in a way, just growing up in East Cleveland, Ohio, and seeing positive people, just seeing people going to work every day, seeing seeing families, you know, the community that we had in East Cleveland. And it really struck me with my uh sixth grade teacher, Mr. Clayton Burroughs, I talk about him a lot. Uh when I saw him, I said, man, something about Mr. Burroughs, you know, uh uh African-American male, he went to Wilbur Force University, and he just came, he was 20, 23, 24 years old, teaching sixth graders, you know, but he came in uh about excellence. And I saw that, and and and I just been building on that, just watching him, how he moved, how how he impacted our lives in in an excellent way, uh expectations. And so my foundation's always been, and and Carmen and I is always about excellence. It's always about doing things the right way, you know, not not have doing our children know that as well. We don't we don't do anything halfway. Matter of fact, we we we go above and beyond. You know, the Bible says it'll do exceedingly and abundantly more than think or imagine. So we live by that, you know. So we try to do uh things in a more in a more excellent way. That's our foundation.

SPEAKER_02:

I think it's really important. A lot of times we we don't exactly know what building a legacy looks like without examples. And you both have shared that you've seen um examples of legacy building. And I'm sure, you know, I I can't say that everyone we come across understands the depth of impact that we have on someone else. And so I'm very curious if they knew at the moments that you all encounter them, that they would be, that you all would be a part of their legacy, right? So a lot of times when we're talking to people and interacting with people, especially when we think about our mentors, I'm pretty sure in that moment they're not like, I am building my legacy right now in this moment, right? So I think it's really beautiful that you're able to recall those interactions with them. Um, and you know, I don't know if you all still are in communication or have ever been able to tell them how much they've impacted you about this just being the spark that even just started to create the idea of you all creating a legacy and being intentional about it. So when we think about legacy being aparting building blocks and just the foundations, there's a lot that goes into building anything, right? So let's talk about be a baller. It didn't just come out of nowhere. You all had to build this thing. So there had to be breaking seasons, stretching seasons, face seasons. What were the early turning points that shaped your conviction to build differently?

SPEAKER_01:

Started doing COVID. Started doing COVID. I think Carmen was watching something on, and she said, uh, someone was doing doing interviews. I said, Tim, you know enough people, you can do this. You can do this, you know. And so the spark was was lit there. Then I just began calling. And the real thing is, people actually start saying yes. That's the real thing. You know, they really start saying yes, you know. And a lot of people that that I've interviewed, I don't know them. They come in here for the first time. All I know is I had a bio and a picture.

SPEAKER_06:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

I've heard of them, you know, I know the things that they've done. And then they come in, and it's the first time I met them, and we'll sit down across from each other as if we were best friends. Right. You know, and and what I found, persons have been uh waiting to tell their story. They're waiting to tell their story. So this was really started out, you know, doing during COVID time. You know, had time and and all that. And I have to give a shout out to my daughter because she was the first episode.

SPEAKER_06:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Car was the first episode because I wrote a book about athletes. That's how I started. She was the first, first, first episode to kick it off.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, that's amazing. Um so when you think about the spark, right? So COVID, that's almost wow, five years ago now, right? Um, did those seasons make you more determined or cautious or both when it came to building, right? So you had to reach out to people you didn't know, you had to learn how to do a podcast, you had to learn how to, you know, uh uh build a platform now that's been going on for this is the sixth season, right? So it went through a lot of ebbs and flows. What did that, those seasons, those breaking seasons, stretching seasons, face seasons, like did it make you more determined? Did it make you cautious? Were you was there any point where you're like, okay, maybe this is not a great idea? Um, or you know, is there a mixture of both?

SPEAKER_04:

I would say a mixture of both. Okay. I think one of the things that we um kind of always talk about is giving people the opportunity to do things they might not otherwise do. And God has just blessed us, set up, put us in position to give other people opportunity. Um, we've been blessed over the years, and we talk about that often about how how we we're who we are. And so uh the whole thing about giving people the opportunity to do things they might not otherwise do is just something that we've been standing on, and God continues to open up doors and opportunities for us to be able to bless others because it blesses us as well.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. So I think that's important to note is, you know, a lot of times when we are going through those seasons where either God has called us to do something or we are finding ourselves where we are doing something challenging, the why behind what we're doing is usually what keeps us going, right? So the why of giving people the opportunity is to share their story and to really share their insights and wisdom on how they built legacy is, you know, is what pushed you through those hard times. It's really, really, really good to note. Um, so through all of this, right, at what point, at what moment did you realize we're not just talking about legacy, like we're actually building it, right? So we're talking to people about building their legacy. But at what part of the journey were you're like, oh, we're building our own brown legacy, you know, making our mark on, you know, this this journey to help others or, you know, to leave behind for others to experience. At what point, or have you even realized that you are that you're leaving a legacy behind?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, actually, most persons know us from basketball. Right. And um our names come come together, uh initials say take. And we really believe that uh God just given us opportunity. First, you got to be willing to take advantage of the things that God has already presented. And um, take uh for us, it stands for talented athletes and artists competing, and we spell competing with K and with excellence. And we just really believe that God gave opened up a door to give us an opportunity to be a blessing to others as it blesses us as well.

SPEAKER_01:

I think they're um from a legacy standpoint. That's well said, Carmen. Um uh tell them that saying that you have that you can achieve um basically take ABC.

SPEAKER_04:

It just says uh you can't achieve what your mind will allow you to believe if you're willing to accept and take the challenge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's the that's the whole thing.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And I wanted to set that up because we have young people who are part of the program who come back now and that's what they remember. The saying? That's saying. They'll say that saying, you know, they'll say that saying, I remember, I remember that saying, you know, you can't achieve what your mind allows you believe, you willn't accept and take the child. And and so you talk about how that path where we didn't know we're the legacy people. We were 24, 25 years old.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, that's good to know.

SPEAKER_01:

And these kids today they come and they still remember that. The other thing to me about legacy is when you realize you're building a legacy, we look at your children. At the end of the day, that's who God has called us to be good stewards over, and the shepherd is our is our is our children. And when you look at look at our children and the things that they are have done, able to do through God's grace, through God's mercy and grace, and it's it's and that that when you start thinking about legacy. And then when you see them not just taking the things, the gifts and talents that God's blessed them with to help somebody else. You know, our son and our youngest boy is a basketball coach now at Columbus Academy. So watching him coach basketball, watching him give to give the younger kids. Uh Kamera, our daughter works for uh PepsiCo and Human Relations Human Resources, watching her hire people and giving people opportunities and TJ being involved in basketball. So that's part of the legacy, and I think part of our legacy is just a giving spirit, you know, a willingness to know that we're blessed to be a blessing. And if our children don't know anything else about, they know that, that they are blessed, that our family is blessed to be a blessing. So we're not hoarding our blessings, you know. If we have something and we can share some wisdom with someone or we can help somebody along, we'll we'll do that. That's part of our legacy.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I think that's important to note, you know, I think there's a lot of different checkpoints that can kind of be reminders that we're building a legacy. So whether that is the students that you've coached coming back and remembering the saying that you all used to drill into them, or even watching your uh your children grow up and them being well accomplished in, you know, the the field in which they're studying, right? There's always these checkpoints that you God just I call them God winks of just saying, like, hey, I am letting you know that you are on the right path to to um to doing what I've called you to do. And and that is a part of your legacy, right? Being obedient to God and allowing those experiences to be the reminder that you are doing and walking in your purpose as he's called you to do. Um so throughout this whole conversation so far, you've talked about faith, family, community being central to your mission. How have those pillars guided the way you've built your legacy both individually and together as a couple?

SPEAKER_01:

Go ahead. You can go ahead. What was that about faith, family?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, so how have faith, family, and community, how is how those three pillars guided you um as you've built your legacy, both individually, so as as a person and then as a couple.

SPEAKER_01:

And of course, the uh the faith is our foundation, you know, growing up, going to church from Sunday as a child, Sunday school, and all that, you know, that that's truly the foundation is the faith. Uh and community is we've been blessed. Uh the I go back to how people are saying yes, you know, that people have believed in us, you know. You can't do this without a community. Community, yeah. You know, they say that it takes abilities to raise a child. Uh, and what we were doing, it it wasn't just us. We were backed with good families that supported us. We had coaches who coached the teams for that, believed in us and all that. So that community is so important. It's so important in that. And I think sometimes we don't realize how important the community is, you know. Because we think that everybody, you know, you just show up, roll out the balls, people gonna come running, you know, to participate. No, it wasn't that. Yeah, it was a community that believed in what we were doing, and and what we were doing was helping, helping someone, you know, and so that community really got behind that. Yeah, so it was a give and take with community, amen. It really is.

unknown:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

All right, so we uh got the foundation set with the origin story. Let's go ahead and move into just some lessons we can share with our listeners. So you all have built something that now pours into countless families, churches, schools, and communities. Let's talk about those lessons that shaped how you now lead. So, when creating something for generations, what has been the biggest reality check about legacy work, especially leading together as a couple? How do you all protect that vision and unity within within yourselves?

SPEAKER_04:

I would say one thing I know um that people are always watching. And so um we have tried to do our best, you know, for sure with with the power of the Holy Spirit, yeah, to just to lead guide and direct us so that we might be able to say those things and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And so I think sometimes um on the outside looking in, people try, you know, we look at each other and say, Well, how why are you doing this or how are you doing that? And we really we know that if it had not been for the Lord on our side, we know that he is the foundation and he has really kept us so that we could do the things that we're doing.

SPEAKER_01:

I think it's important as well to stay committed, to stay consistent. If you see Tim and Carmen Brown, you know what you get.

SPEAKER_06:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, from from way back then to today.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

We haven't changed, you know. We haven't changed. We're committed. We're committed to that one thing, and that's that's serving the Lord, and that's committed to the work that we're doing, you know. And and we're kind of uh people see us as being serious, you know, no nonsense, you know. And we are. We're serious about this work. Right. We're serious about this work. You want to play, go play somewhere else. That's not God's called us. Exactly. We're playing a different type of ball here, okay. And just keep showing up. I always tell young people who get involved in this work, keep showing up. You know, don't let these kids down. Don't say you're coming and don't come. When I was at when I was wearing a Central Community House, I started to basketball Joe the van. So I had to go pick all these girls up.

SPEAKER_06:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

And I they knew I was coming at five o'clock, five three, whatever, and a lot of them be waiting on the porch.

SPEAKER_02:

You know. Ready, exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Ready, ready.

SPEAKER_02:

They knew you were gonna be there. You gotta be consistent. Yeah, I think that's really good. Um, you know, in in one thing that I think is beautiful about you all's marriage, graded, I've known Mr. Brown much longer than I've known you, Miss Carmen. Uh, but it didn't matter. Whenever I would meet with Mr. Brown, it was always my lady this and my bride that. And you know, there was there was that consistent language, like I'm going to be very clear, like I love my wife. We're doing this together. So even if you think back to what you all started back in grad school or when you all were in college at OU, right? Um, you all started doing things together, even you know, before you were married, right? This has been a unit and that takes consistency and that takes communication, right? Um, and I think those two two words are great points of wisdom. Um, but I do want to ask specifically if there's any more. So when we think about the goals of Next Up Ballers with this being a generation that is now actively thinking about the legacy that they want to leave behind, right? Um, and and how to carry the vision forward from you know the wisdom that we've received or from the wisdom that uh we're gaining now. What's one piece of advice you wish every young leader, dreamer, or parent understood about building a legacy early?

SPEAKER_01:

That's a great question. We had a um we taught at Sunshine Christian Academy, and Dr. Deb Deborah Jackson was the principal. And when our kids were young, we were there, she would always say this, you gotta have a vision for your children. She would always say this, you have to have a vision. You know, if you don't have a vision, we know the Bible says with a lack of vision, people perish. You have to have a vision. You got to have a vision. And as a parent, and even as a leader, once you get to a certain, you gotta you have to have a personal vision. You know, I called the MVP my vision plan. You know, and once you have that vision, you can't let anybody get in the way of that vision, you know. We we we we we've been married 41 years, but we had a vision of what marriage was gonna be, you know, had a vision of what our children were gonna be, you know, and and even helping the community, even connecting people, but you have to have a vision. You have to have a vision to stay in this thing. You just gotta have a vision. Goes back to that. Why? Why am I doing this?

SPEAKER_02:

Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this? Keeps you grounded, right? The vision. So you is it ever too early to start a vision? Or ever start too early to start having a vision about the legacy you want to leave behind? That's a better question.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_04:

I think sometimes we don't realize that we're already um the legacy is is is is going. Right now, um, when we think back, you know, a lot of us in school, high school, we're and you think about um, what am I doing now? And then when you look back and you notice that there were some stepping stones that brought you to where you're at. So sometimes that vision is the Bible talks about it, it it may be a ways off, but just wait on it. Wait on that vision and it'll come to pass.

SPEAKER_01:

So this next up generation has been the next vision. Yeah. And you know how you go from glory to glory to glory. And this next up generation vision is is for uh to take what what others have learned, you know, and being intentional about pointing to the next generation where they can take the ball and run with it. Because it it it's different now, you know, the things that maybe there's certain morals and values that are the same. There's certain things that are the same, but they may do them a little differently.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You all you all may look at a little differently. We as older people, like, why can't they stay on their job for 20 years? You know, 30 years. What are they doing?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, they're doing it.

SPEAKER_01:

But the blessing is you all are still working.

SPEAKER_06:

Right, we're still working.

SPEAKER_01:

It ain't like you're not working. You just not, but you're just not you, but you're just not doing it with the stand story for 30 years. Exactly. So and and and then young people, and the reason we uh next next to ballers is there's a different language as well. There's a whole different language that's spoken now. Some of this stuff, you know, L O L, I don't know what that means, you know, and SHA shaking my head, you know, all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_06:

You know, you can if you got it. I got it.

SPEAKER_01:

It's going good, and I don't feel so bad then. I don't feel so bad then. But anyway, but it's a different language, and and you can you guys can speak to that. Right, right. You can speak to it. That's why I'm so excited about this.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. And I think uh, so I think with next up ballers, with it being, you know, the next and now generation and speaking to them. Um, I wanted to build upon what you said really quickly, Miss Carmen, as far as we're already building the legacy. And that's one thing that we, you know, I not say we now, but what Mr. Brown specifically has tried to drill into the hearts and minds of high schoolers is right now you are building your legacy. Good, bad, or indifferent. You are going to be remembered for something, right? So now we start ensuring that your vision for your future aligns with your behavior now, right? So just really understanding every day you wake up and you decide to walk out of your house and interact with anyone, that's going to be a part of your legacy. And just making sure that you understand what is the vision that I want people to remember me by, right? So that goes into my semi-last question before we go into the rapid fire question round. Okay. So we've we've talked a lot about legacy and building blocks and what that looks like. And so we've given some pieces of wisdom for our audience members to chew on, right? Um, and we we understand that legacy is built in the everyday moments, that consistency that we talked about. Um, and it's not just the big ones, right? It's not just the podcast drop. It's not just the, it's not the, you know, going to the schools and having big seminars, it's not the events, right? It's it's in the everyday moments. So what does that look like for the Brown legacy? You know, um, what what is that, what is that legacy that you all want to leave behind? Not the titles or the visibility. What do you actually want to be remembered for?

SPEAKER_04:

I would say one thing is just that we gave others an opportunity to do things. We gave them um the tools in some cases to in regards to basketball. We gave them opportunity just to speak up. And sometimes I think um we don't want sometimes we don't take the opportunity or time to really encourage young people. And I think because the two of us have had someone to really encourage us, we have made that commitment. And God is just again just continues to open doors and opportunities for us to do that.

SPEAKER_01:

I think for us, um legacy or remembered by is just being that model, that that model family that someone can look at. Now we're not the cosby, we're not trying to be the Cosby, we're trying to be the C.

SPEAKER_02:

Nowadays ain't nobody's trying to be the C.

SPEAKER_01:

Right, we're not not perfect, not perfect. But at least you can look at look at someone, you know. And that's why I always tell the boys, now this is 41 years, brothers. You know, I make sure them guys know that. We're one woman now. Make sure somebody gotta be that model and taking that serious, you know. And so you can, because you can't be what you can't see. So we want to be that way, can look back and see, oh yeah, I know I know somebody who was committed, who because I see, like we say, we see kids all the time. They're like, y'all still around? You know, Miss Brown, you still going to schools? Miss Brown, I remember you were my second grade teacher, you know. Our coach. Oh, my coach, yeah, all that. All that. And so that that that's the legacy, is that and and it's really is what people, when they see you, how do they feel?

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

How do they feel when they see you? Miss Brown was working for uh a Columbus family ambassador. Can you share that experience about those those girls that was uh when you were coming to the room or whatnot? Yeah, the one girl that played basketball for us or whatnot, and and how how how how they would treat her like an elder is supposed to be treated.

SPEAKER_06:

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's what it's about. How do people how do how do you make people feel?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, absolutely when they see you again. Yeah, you know. And I I've been intentional. I might have been hard on some folks, been hard on some folks, but they know it was out of love. They knew it was out of love, they know it was out of love. Don't kick my cane. Kick my cane, actually.

SPEAKER_02:

All right, so uh a part of Next Up Ballers is our rapid fire section. So our quick play section. This is going to be no long explanations, just very quick insync to uh a few of these questions. So I'm only going to ask a few of them. Either one of you can answer. Um, but this is what what comes to mind when you when this question is asked. Um, all right, this one's easy. Legacy work. Are you in a planting season, pruning season, or harvest season?

SPEAKER_04:

I think it sometimes those seasons go together. So sometimes in even in the time of planting, you're also pruning. Sometimes while you're pruning, there's something that you might have to go ahead and pull up. So it's it it all goes against.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, so we're in all three. All right, all right. Okay, uh, what is one habit that's kept your marriage grounded through ministry and leadership?

SPEAKER_01:

For me, it's prayer.

SPEAKER_04:

And and just taking time to be together and doing things that uh because again, we we have a saying giving other people the opportunity to do things they might not otherwise do. Sometimes we get to do things. And I and I believe that's why the Lord allows us to do things. People always say, Why you get to do this? How y'all get to do that? We just believe because we planted seeds in other people's lives. God has blessed us, not just the bus and our our children as well.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Awesome. Uh okay. If you weren't doing this work, what would you likely be doing?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I know what I'd be doing. What you'd be doing? I would be a Waffle House cook.

SPEAKER_02:

No way!

SPEAKER_01:

I love some breakfast. I love some Waffle House. I would be there in the morning. It's coming, coming right now. Hash brown, hash brown, bacon, bacon, two slides of bacon, two slides, double meat, double meat.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, yes. And we we live down the street from a waffle house. So every on his birthday, that's his that's his gift. He wants to go there for breakfast.

SPEAKER_01:

Every morning I'm cooking breakfast. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay. I was not expecting that answer. All right. Um, this is what happens when you sit in the hot seat, Mr. Brown. People get to see a different side of you, they just don't get to see. All right, so two more questions. Um Ms. Brown, I'll let you answer this one. Okay. What's something people would be surprised to learn about you?

SPEAKER_04:

I guess I'm the I'm the third child. And I guess be sometimes being the youngest, you may get different opportunities, or people wondering, well, how'd you get to do this? But I think it it there it's it's value and joy of being the third child.

SPEAKER_02:

No, it must be. I'm the oldest. How many? Three. Okay, yeah. No, see, I'm the oldest of three, and I'm you know. You know already know. There's a lot in one statement. All right, so last rapid fire question, and I'd like for you both to respond to this. What is no, I'm gonna ask a different question. Alright, so what is one piece of advice that every young person needs to hear in this moment?

SPEAKER_04:

Listen. Sometimes we just need to stop and listen to what people are saying to us. Sometimes we get caught up into maybe the way we're feeling at the time. And we may take the word of good advice, we might take it in a in a wrong way. And so I think sometimes we just have to stop and listen and realize that uh that we're trying to help you. You know, older people, teachers, those who are talking, talking and speaking into your life, they're they really do are looking out for the best in you. And so just sometimes we just have to stop and listen.

SPEAKER_02:

That's really it.

SPEAKER_01:

I would say for um the word that comes to mind is patience. And and I don't even mean young people being patient. What I mean by patient, being patient with older people. Being patient. We're we're we're we may not be as technology savvy, we may be a little bit behind the time, so to speak, but be a little bit more patient with this, you know. Take a little bit more time to uh uh not expect us to be perfect, not expect us to know everything. Just be a little more patient with us, with us. Be a little more patient.

SPEAKER_02:

I think that's beautiful. The your two words kind of go in tandem, right? So if you're patient, you're able to slow down and listen. And if you're able to slow down and listen, listen, you're able to receive the wisdom that you all are able to impart onto the younger generation. Okay, so every guest who comes on Next Up Ballers Podcast must leave our guests with a challenge. Okay. Uh, something that they can actually do this week that shifts them forward towards legacy. We're gonna uh so I'm gonna have you give our listeners a challenge that they can actively start doing. And we're also gonna invite our listeners to ensure that they let us know if they took the challenge and how they felt after they did it. We'll make sure that they share that on our social media. So, what is the one challenge that you want to give our listeners that they can actively start doing this week to start building their legacy?

SPEAKER_04:

Call someone. Call someone that you've been thinking about and that you know are has a lot of wisdom and and just call them and ask, just sit down and talk with someone, you know, maybe a neighbor or friend or or or your friend's mother. You know, sometimes just like, ah, and so just take some time and talk to someone.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

All right. Is that a collective challenge, or you have an additional challenge? Well, I like that kindness, but mine would would all would also be uh watch your words, speak kind words. Speak kind words, you know, speak kind words. We're in a country now, we're in the world now, we we hear so much unkindness, so speaking. And just to say it in a in a politically correct way. But anyway, just kindness, I think. Just just speak, speak and speak kind words, you know. Smile at someone, you know. Be challenge, challenge yourself this week to just when you see somebody who might be down a little bit or just smile, just smile and just smile at easy because you use that smile. That's my challenge. Use that smile.

SPEAKER_02:

All right, listeners. This week we have two challenges. Well, if you just see someone, just smile and then also pick up the phone, call someone, let us know the pieces of wisdom that you received from someone this week. This was a powerful conversation. Today we weren't just talking about legacy. We heard the heartbeat behind it. Coach Tim Brown and Mrs. Brown reminded us that legacy begins in the private before it ever shows up in public. Thank you all for tuning into this crossover of Be a Baller episode. Thank you, Mr. Brown, Coach Brown, Coach Tim Brown, however, you all want to uh approach him and Mrs. Brown. Thank you all both for being here and sharing just your wisdom and your knowledge. Thank you all for building such an amazing legacy and platform for other people to share their wisdom. We appreciate all the work that you all do. Thank you for laying the road for us to not only follow, but for us to journey through. We really appreciate that. All right, ballers, make sure you like, share, and subscribe and pass this episode forward. We'll catch you next time on the next episode of Next Up Baller Podcast. Until then, go ball out.

SPEAKER_00:

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