Dr. Michael Langan on Faith, Medicine & Legacy

In this episode of the BAB Podcast, Dr. Michael Langan shares how faith, discipline, and purpose shape leadership in medicine and life. From burnout and mentorship to healthcare access and serving underserved communities, this conversation is full of wisdom on leading well, serving people, and building a legacy that honors God.

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Legacy First Season Vision

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to season seven of Be a Baller, the podcast where success isn't the goal, legacy is. This season is all about intentional living, bleeding with purpose, serving with faith, and leaving a mark that outlives us. We go beyond the highlights, bringing you real conversations with legacy builders from ministry, business, sports, education, and community. Leaders committed to the wisdom pledge, paying it forward to the next generation. If you're ready for faith-filled leadership and practical wisdom to live on purpose and finish strong, let's be a baller, legacy style.

Music As Stress Relief

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Welcome to Be a Baller Podcast, where we explore what it means to lead with excellence, steward your gifts well, and build a legacy that honors God and serves people. Today's podcast is brought to you by First Merchant Bank, dedicated to helping you prosper and supporting lenders who grow their businesses. Today's guest is someone who has spent his career at the intersection of science, service, and leadership. Dr. Michael Langden is a board-certified internal medicine physician, educator, and former medical education leader at the Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center. From mentoring residence to leading grant-funded initiatives, serving vulnerable patients, his career reflects a deep commitment to people, not just problems. Dr. Lang, welcome to Be a Baller Podcast. Thank you very much for having me. Get all that in. Now the word on the streets is that you're a music guy. I am a music guy, too. Put that together for me. You know, doctor, music. Are you playing? You know, you got the music going when you're in there operating. What's going on here, Doc?

SPEAKER_03 1:38

Yeah, that was actually that's my first uh my first choice. My uh my initial choice of a career was uh was music. No, I I knew that was not sustainable, but um uh music, I use it a lot for you know, separating myself from work and some of the stresses that come with that. And uh ever since I was uh pretty young, I've been playing. So I play guitar, I play a little bit of piano. Uh I would say I'm more of a guitar player than anything. Uh and I like to write uh a lot of music. So that's what I it's a big stress reliever for me. And I've been doing that since I was uh in high school, actually self-taught.

SPEAKER_04 2:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

Can't uh read music, uh, but if it sounds like music, it's gotta be music, right?

Early Mentors And Service Roots

SPEAKER_02 2:21

That's a guess a good way to put it, you know. Look back at your uh upbringing. Uh, how did your upbringing and early mentors uh shape your character?

SPEAKER_03 2:30

Yeah, that's a really good question. I um come from a uh family of uh so I have one brother. My uh parents uh are both uh Catholics. I was raised uh in a Catholic uh household, and uh I would say that from a very early age, my parents really set that tone. You know, I always have looked at my both my my mother and my father as uh very giving uh people, very um selfless and great um followers of of the Lord. And uh I think from an early age I I saw that, and uh it really helped me lead towards a life of giving and service uh and trying to make the world a better place, trying to make uh people's lives uh better uh and hopefully the world better when than before I was in it. So uh so I think that example, just seeing them how they have have led their lives, uh, has really shaped me. And I would say also like growing up through high school and college, I feel like I've always surrounded myself with people that have had like interests and again a lot of really good influences. Um good people. Good, good people. Good people.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

You know, when did you first sense that medicine wasn't just a career but a calling?

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Yeah, uh another uh really good question. The earliest uh that I remember thinking about medicine was probably as a young child. So I actually had some health issues when I was uh maybe in my early teens, uh, and I remember a lot of the anxiety that went with that, uh, especially not really understanding anything about uh medicine or uh the human body and uh things that can uh go wrong with it. And uh I feel like a lot of the doctors that I saw uh during the evaluation of some of those medical uh problems were just very supportive, very comforting. And uh I had had to have uh had to have some uh procedural things uh as well. Uh and just recalling how how good those physicians treated me and how much respect they treated me with. And even when I was like really scared about things that I had to do or tests I had to do, they made me really feel um comfortable, as comfortable as you could be. And and as I got older, uh I really felt like I wanted to return some of that service that I thought people provided to me. And as I went through high school, I was sort of like pre-med, like interested in science, biology, chemistry type stuff like that. As I went to college, I I entered as a pre-med student, uh, but also had the attitude that it was like if I don't become a doctor, don't do this. I there was other things that interest me in life. And it wasn't like I have to be a doctor. I don't come from a family of doctors or anything uh along those lines. And uh so I just kind of went with it. I was interested in all the sciences, was doing good in school. Uh, and it came time for like the the medical school tests, uh, MCAT, uh, which I took, and I again going into it was like, if I don't do great on this, that's okay. There's other things in life that I can do. And uh seems like every step of the way, I just I kept getting good results and started to get more interest in it. Uh, and then once you get into medical school, there's no turning back, man. Oh, but yeah, but you better know it by then. So yeah, so once I was in medical school, I I knew like this is I'm in the right place, and uh, and and some of those early experiences really reiterated how important the field was to me. Uh, and it was more about, you know, just like having like making money and paying bills. It was about being able to help people and make people's lives better and uh and just again make the world a a better, better place.

The Medical School Grind

SPEAKER_02 6:29

You know, we we hear a lot about medical school and the commitment and all that. I'm glad I got a doctor sitting right here who's going through it. Could you kind of share that experience, you know, and then what kept you going? Because I know there was time.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

Oh, yeah, for sure. Um, and that's actually uh something that is actually really near and dear to me, people that um are challenged or struggle a little bit uh in their career pathway in medicine. So med students, as they get stressed out, get burned out. Uh the short story uh is um it was it was tough. I mean, it's everything you would imagine it to be. Uh if I had to go back in time, I would do it all over again uh if I knew I'd end up in the same place. But if I had to go back and do it again just to do it again, I would not do it. Uh it was no, it's so it's a very rewarding experience, but uh it's it's a lot of work. And and so even like through college, you know, college is a lot of work and you got to study, you gotta do do your your all your tasks on time. Uh but medical school was about tenfold of what you were doing in college. So it was, it was, it was tough. It was a lot of material to learn in a short period of time. Those first couple of years in med school, at least the way the curriculum was designed for me, uh, is just it's a wealth of information. It's just you are just reading, you're learning, you're memorizing. Uh, and there's not a lot of clinical interaction very early in med school. So you kind of don't feel that reward of like, oh yeah, I'm helping people. You're just you're cramming a bunch of information. So it got tough. It was, it was tough. Luckily for me, I had a close friend that was um that I lived with uh early in med school. And I think we both pulled each other through some of the difficult times and challenges. Um, and and yeah, just it's you dig in, you do the work, uh, and you know that the reward is is downstream and and uh you just keep reminding yourself of that. Uh I would also lastly say, uh, to answer that question, is uh my faith uh and um just having you know trust in the Lord and uh knowing that there's uh a purpose for for me and uh this is what I'm supposed to be doing, and uh just knowing that was also very, very helpful.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

As we talk about faith, uh how did uh your faith and form values influence how you treat patients, especially in difficult or complex cases?

SPEAKER_03 8:50

Yeah. The recognizing, firstly, that there's a diversity of people. So there's a lot of people that may not have the same exact beliefs as me, may differ in terms of their values, their thoughts, and uh what's important uh to them. So I think for me, sort of the golden rule of treat people how uh you want to be treated uh is is pretty pivotal in that. And I think that's uh a biblical message as well, uh, is being respectful of uh everybody. And um so I think that that again, that faith has been really helpful when the going gets tough. So uh in medicine, not everything goes the way that you want it to go. Uh and so those times when it feels like maybe the noose is a little tighter and uh the pressure's on, uh again, prayer um and uh comfort and and finding peace uh in uh in what uh I've learned through through through church and through faith uh has been very very helpful. Keeps me focused and reminds me most importantly, again, this is you know the path that I'm supposed to be on, and it's not supposed to be easy, uh it's supposed to be hard. Uh so just reminding myself of that and then just trying to share some of that um you know that that compassion and care for people so that they can see that and feel that. So when they're having a hard time, I'm gonna have a hard time with them and share some of that um, you know, what they're going through.

Modeling Compassion For Young Doctors

SPEAKER_02 10:24

I think you kind of answered this next question, uh, but I just want to pill on you a little deeper. You know, as a leader in residency programs, how do you model integrity and compassion to younger physicians?

SPEAKER_03 10:37

Yeah, that's uh that's a hard one there. Uh uh so so I would I would reflect on um my career in in education, I guess uh just to clarify some of that. So what I do now is um is is primary care, a little bit less education uh than I've done in the past. But uh my previous position uh as uh the director of the primary care training program and one of the assistant program directors of the internal medicine program, uh I had a lot of responsibilities. Uh and uh as far as integrity and compassion go, you you have to be a good role model for um those residents. Uh and you have to know that um, you know, they're going through the same challenges that you went through as a resident when you were in that position. Uh and that was probably one of the things that I um uh that was closest to me was was just you know being very respectful of uh my residents, uh being very thoughtful of what they're going through, make sure that I'm you know not overloading them with the things that are on their plate, and also trying to help them organize what's on their plate so that they uh can uh can can be happy and and successful in what they do. Uh and trying to set a good example. So just uh as we're taking care of patients in the hospital, for example. So uh I've had a couple different positions in terms of how I've cared for patients and how I've um uh like attended or supervised residents. So some of them would uh we'd be on teams in the hospital, uh, we would be on teams in the clinic. Uh, and so those are a variety of different settings where you do have to behave maybe a little bit differently, but just as a general rule, uh just again being respectful of patients uh in front of residents and uh making sure that residents acknowledge the uh challenges even that patients are having, that their patients are having. Uh, it's a stressful, stressful career, stressful day. Uh, and it's pretty easy to get frustrated and say, oh man, like I can't believe I'm gonna see, you know, uh John Smith again, or again, that's not a HIPAA violation or a name. That's not a real person, but uh, you know, I'm gonna see uh this patient again. And and he's a a difficult patient uh to care for, but just reminding them that, like, you know, they're going through something too. So we gotta be, you know, we gotta be strong for them, we gotta be compassionate to them, we gotta be respectful of them uh and find out what we can do uh to make their life better. Uh and so some of that, you know, selfless approach of like, hey, we're here to do a job, and that job is to make people's lives better. So what are we gonna do for this patient today? And not worry too much about what it what are they gonna do to make my life better? So so so just trying to demonstrate that in the way that you practice, I think, uh is is is probably the best uh approach that I I would say.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

That's good. What is that feeling like? You know, you talked about making somebody's life better, you know, when that patient comes in one way and they leave out, you know, better. What is that feeling like for you, Doc?

SPEAKER_03 13:38

It's good. Yeah, it's good, it's good. And and and I would say it is it's so good uh that sometimes uh when things get tough, uh it is not uncommon uh for me to go in one morning and say, you know, uh I need a win today. Uh I need to win. You know, it's you have a stretch of of times when life is tough, and like, you know, things don't always go the way that you plan, uh especially in medicine. You make a treatment decision, uh patient maybe doesn't get better the way you want them to. Uh and when you have a couple of those stack up over a couple days or a couple weeks, it it gets tough. It gives you pause, uh, makes you rethink where where am I? Uh and when I feel like I get in those situations, I always, again, say, uh, I I need a win today. And I feel like that is always delivered. Uh, I feel like every every time I get in that rut where it's like, man, this is this is getting tough. I feel like that that next day almost always like there's there's something good that that happens that day, and you and you get those wins. But but it's a good feeling, yeah uh and and you want everybody to be healthy and happy, and that makes me happy and healthy.

Why Underserved Care Matters

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Sometimes we call those guy winks. That's right. You know, where God gave you that quick wink, you know, every mind that you're in the right space, you're in the right place. There's a plan and a purpose, and just keep on keeping on, you know. 100%. Yeah, that's truly a blessing. You know, you you uh Doc, you've led initiatives focused on uh vulnerable patients. Why is caring for the underserved so important in healthcare and to you personally?

SPEAKER_03 15:10

Yeah, that's uh there's a a a little story behind that, so hopefully I don't burn too much time here talking about that. But so back in in 2010-ish, uh around the Affordable Care Act uh and uh all the changes in healthcare, where a lot of people were gonna have access to health care, uh, a lot of expansion of uh healthcare support. Uh, there was uh a clear recognition that there was gonna be uh a uh a crisis in primary care and in medicine because you're gonna have a lot of people that need doctors, and there's not a lot of doctors to serve them. Uh, and the patient population that most likely is going to start seeking more medical care uh is probably gonna be an underserved uh population, uh, just by the nature of, you know, the purpose of the Affordable Care Act and some of that uh healthcare expansion. So at that time, uh, there was a uh a lot of offerings for grant uh funding for training programs, uh, whether it's nursing or physicians, uh, to uh expand upon primary care. Uh and there was a clear niche for that. Uh, and it was almost serendipitous how I got into the role that I got into. Uh, it was mostly because I was probably one of the more interested people in primary care in general. Uh, at the time, I was an assistant uh program director for the internal medicine program. Uh, and there's a lot of events that actually happened that led to what I thought was the perfect storm of the program that we built at OSU in 2010. So around that time, uh, OSU had uh purchased uh the old uh VA clinic uh and was converting it to uh CarePoint East. Uh and around that same time, the Affordable Care Act was offering these grants. Around that same time, I was a primary care or I was an internal medicine uh assistant program director. And my program director at that time knew that I was interested in primary care and I had showed more of a passion for it maybe than most people uh in a training program like that. It's a very subspecialty training program. So there wasn't a lot of people that were like really gung-ho about uh primary care. So I was invited to a meeting uh that was uh to uh brainstorm about what it would look like to build a primary care training program uh at Ohio State in the internal residency program in the context of we have this new facility that's opening uh through OSU and there's this funding. Uh so let's put together what that would look like. We'll maybe put together a grant proposal to see if we can get one of these grants. Uh and so I went to this meeting thinking, like, oh yeah, I got a lot of ideas about what that would look like. And again, we were gonna be moving into the uh CarePoint East building, which would be on the near east side of Columbus, which is a vulnerable population that we would serve. So, so I I went to this meeting thinking, like, oh, I'm gonna give them a bunch of ideas, they're gonna put this program in place and it's gonna be great. And by the end of the meeting, uh, my boss at the time was like, all right, you know, we're writing the grant and ideas, and he lists me as like, I'll be the director of the program. So I'm kind of thinking to myself, like, I don't I don't know that I'm I'm this wait a minute, I thought I was just coming here as guidance. Uh and uh and and lo and behold, we wrote the grant. Uh we got the funding. It was uh it was a$3.8 million uh grant uh that was funding the program. Uh and next thing you know, I'm in charge of this program. Uh and part of the uh approach to it was uh recognizing, again, the vulnerable population that's gonna need help uh from a medical standpoint. We have the ability now to train residents. We're gonna train them how to take care of these patients through cultural competency training, uh, so diversity training, uh, again, embed them uh in uh that uh clinic. And there's a lot of like community type initiatives associated with that, with like the Near East Health Advisory Committee uh and other uh opportunities to really just expose them to uh that population uh and to make them a little bit more competent in becoming doctors for that uh population of vulnerable patients. Uh and so we built this program designed for that. Uh and uh it trains four uh residents per year, a total of 12 residents, a three-year training program. Uh and the other serendipitous event is that we actually had uh we were a part of something called an educational innovations project, which allowed us to bend the rules a little bit of how you train residents because it used to be very rigid. Uh and the program that I wanted, you could not build uh by those rigid rules. So we were allowed to build the program in a very unique way, which gave them really aggressive outpatient training and robust, quantitatively a lot of training. Uh, and so it it was really designed to be uh a very successful primary care program uh in the world of internal medicine, which is a little bit unique at the time. Uh and and uh and yeah, so I I I deviate a little bit from the question, but but that was it was very good lesson, yes, great information, you know.

Dignity And Real Access To Care

SPEAKER_02 20:29

It was like almost like a perfect storm. It was a absolutely you know, Ohio State purchases building, uh the Affordable Care Act comes into play as an opportunity, you know, to serve that population. So there's a greater need because more people have access. And speaking of that, uh, what did the uh Navigate project teach you about dignity and access to care?

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Well, so the access to care part is that uh uh it it is very difficult for a lot of patients to access care, uh, even if they have insurance, uh even if they um are uh geographically close uh to uh medical access. So there's a lot of factors that make it really difficult for patients uh to get to the doctor, uh to be able to get a ride to the doctor, uh, to be able to uh afford their medicine, uh, to be able to afford the tests that the doctors order. So so access is not just a matter of having insurance or just uh a matter of having uh an actual doctor. There's there's so many logistical things that are barriers for people. And it's actually quite sad uh that we have a system uh that is like that. Uh and so uh it is um you know poses frustrations for patients, poses frustrations for medical uh personnel. Uh and we just we have to find ways to be better. And so through programs like that, uh it we were able to partner with uh community resources in terms of uh transportation, social workers, uh things of that nature to help provide some of those uh easier to access care models. Uh so like multidisciplinary teams, I guess I would say. So having multiple people on a team that can, you know, somebody who could call a patient, uh, somebody who could, you know, say, hey, why didn't you come uh to the appointment? Oh, you didn't have a ride. Well let me help you get like ride vouchers or get uh access to transportation. Uh and and and the dignity part of it is that uh everybody uh like you again everybody should be treated with respect and and dignity and because somebody doesn't like come to an appointment like there's usually a reason for that. And and so as a physician it's very easy to be like oh I can't believe this patient didn't show up to the appointment. But when you actually question about what happened, there's oftentimes a very good reason uh and being sympathetic to that and being able to you know reach out in some way to remedy the problem uh I think is really the key. So if it's a transportation issue, what can we do to fix that? Uh if it's a financial issue or a medication issue, what can we do uh to fix that and and help you and support you not just here's a prescription I'll see you in three months. It's a lot more than that. A lot more than that.

Mentorship Legacy And Seizing Opportunity

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Wow that's good. You know um throughout your career you mentored hundreds of residents and students. Why is investing in next generation so important to you?

SPEAKER_03 23:32

That's everything. Mostly because uh they're gonna be taking care of me. No, I I I I think actually that that is a another passion I have is is these young these youngsters coming up being I I want I want there to be good doctors when when I need one. But most importantly I would say uh the profession itself uh my perception of it always as when I was young and uh in the younger generation was that it's it's a profession. So being a doctor is not it's not a job it's a profession. It's it's a lifestyle it's a it's a commitment uh and you know to see that degrade a little bit maybe over time with some of the uh cultural and societal changes that we've seen in the past you know 10 years uh or less uh we need to make sure that we are are still having you know kids and young adults going into medicine for that passion, for the the profession uh of it and not just uh as a job. Uh and so being a part of that and hopefully demonstrating that for students and for residents uh keeps them passionate and keeps them focused and and keeps them respectful of the profession that it's about people it's about you know it's not it's not a job it's a profession it's it's that's your life that's that's who you are so as you look at young young physician physicians what character traits do you look for I there's a lot of things that I think are important to uh being successful in medicine uh and just thinking back uh so I used to recruit I used to do all the recruitment for the primary care training program and I used to interview uh the all the all the applicants so I'd have maybe 50 40 or 50 interviews every year um actually probably more than that um and so what things am I looking for? So I'm I'm looking for people that are passionate uh about what what they're doing. Uh so that attitude that professionalism uh the respect for the profession that you know being a doctor is uh is not a nine to five job it's it's it's a lifestyle and so I want to see that passion and I want to see that uh you know respect for uh patient dignity and and and patient uh support so so these need to be they need to be good people selfless people uh that are committed to giving up something uh and giving something uh in order to get something um and so uh just that that that attitude and that drive you have to get the good grades you have to you have to have the the work ethic you have to you know there's there's a lot of of things but I think the intangible thing is is just that that that right fit and you you kind of know that by interacting with somebody and you know they're they're the ones that they're they're they're making eye contact they're they're they're confident but not overconfident they're you know a lot of them have a a story of like oh when I was a kid like you know my interaction with uh doctors or um just some life experience that that really pushed them and drove them or a family member that was ill that they you know had to take care of uh something that that drives them and motivates them uh to do to do good well you you're gonna drop some gems in here doc you know now now I look at you a little different you know I'm looking at doctors a little different with that compassion and empathy and all that you know when you think about this a legacy podcast yeah so you think about the word legacy uh what what would you say that word means to you and what legacy are you building? Yeah the couple things that come to mind uh for me uh about that I would say uh completed works uh is an important component of legacy so things that you uh have left behind trail of breadcrumbs so to speak uh for me that's been music so writing a lot of music and recording music and that legacy that's for my for my for my kids and for my family and generations uh so generationally people look back and say who was this Michael Langan guy oh hey he he look at all these CDs and and and albums that he made of course they won't be able to play CDs by then but uh but but leaving completed works for them whether that's creative writing whether that's you know artistic work my great great grandfather was uh a political cartoonist uh in 1919 in the early teens and I have all of his uh hard copy uh original prints and it's it's fascinating it's like you you know that person by what you can see and what they left behind. So completed works I would say uh is is is pretty high in terms of legacy. The second thing I would say uh is touching as many lives as you possibly can so so right now I have 1300 people that I take care of uh 1300 lives that I would consider myself to be responsible for uh and so uh being able to touch those those people in in in a way that is you know uh again showing them uh respect showing them uh dignity trying to make their lives better trying to make them healthier trying to you know be a positive role model positive influencer uh for those folks um leaving a a trail of of people that pass on what what what what you uh what has been passed on to you and continue to pay that forward to other people uh and even like through the residency program so 26 residents I would have per year that I was responsible for uh those those residents are all grown up now they're all they're all doctors so they're all people that that I'm gonna go see or that I'm gonna send patients to and and when when when a patient comes back and says you know hey you know Dr. So and so said wanted me to tell you hi and and they had all these wonderful things to say about you when you were their residency director. So so you're leaving this uh this trail of uh of of people and and completed works. Uh and lastly I would say the opportunities uh that you uh come across uh in in and seizing opportunity when it presents itself to you not letting opportunities be wasted uh and the perfect example of that is what we just talked about with the primary care track I was totally unprepared to be the director of that program if I felt that way. And now in retrospect I know that I was the exact right person for that. But at the time uh it didn't feel like that. And again through a lot of prayer and a lot of support from my family uh I decided to pursue something that was completely uncomfortable for me. But it was an opportunity and you got to seize those when they're there because they don't come twice.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Wow. Telling you bro you in here dropping Doc, you ain't playing yeah because you walked in there you was just there to you could have said no that's not what I I just want to help develop the program you know sure. But that opportunity came and directed and then once you get in you realize man I know more than I thought I knew you know that I can do this. That's right and do this and that opportunity and that opportunity. You know um lastly uh I know you're a strong man of faith yes you know uh what advice would you give to young professionals not just doctors just young professionals period how to integrate faith and vocation?

SPEAKER_03 30:46

Yeah I think you have to uh rely on your faith uh in uh difficult times uh but also celebrate it uh in in good times so when when you're successful in your career uh you have to acknowledge where that success came from uh when you struggle in your career you have to realize uh who's there to support you uh in the challenging times knowing that success is gonna come again uh and so I think uh without that that would uh have been a real challenge for me uh and and God has been good and and has been uh an important critical part of of my career and I imagine of any vocation uh if you're a person uh of faith.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

All right as we wrap up rapid fire now just to just a couple quick real quick here's the first one give me a scripture or principle that has helped help shape your leadership again I would say the whole uh concept of uh the golden rule of treat people how you want to be treated and I know that's not a direct quote biblically but you know what I'm saying.

Closing Charge And Listener Next Steps

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Daily habits that keeps you grounded listen to my wife she might be listening so what does humility look like in medicine listen not talking what word to find your calling creativity well doc as we as we wrap up um I want to remind the audience audience what a powerful reminder that leadership is stewardship. Whether you're medicine business education or ministry excellence matters character matters how do you treat people matters Dr. Lang and journey shows us that impact isn't built overnight as you talked about that consistency working hard it is built daily through integrity humility and commitment to serve. And Doc I want to thank you uh for you've you've been my doctor for a while I'm part of that team over over Careport and you know and it was amazing to me when and my wife would share this we would go out and see you and the receptionists would always say boy it's a lot of people that follow follow doc you're in Westerville now it's a whole lot of people that follow followed you to uh uh to to your new assignment in Westerville and that says a lot about you it's a lot about your character most importantly it says a lot about how you treat people and we we're going back to that dignity piece you know how and and when you said about listening you know and then your creativity and all that you know I think that's what persons look for most I I just feel you know you just feel so comfortable when you walk into the office you know that that you are when I when I go in there to see you I don't care who else is coming before me or after me I'm the most important one in there. You know I'm the one you know you know my care is in your hands and you treat it that way and I and I respect that about you. So if today's episode uh encourage you to lead with a deeper purpose share with someone who needs that reminder subscribe leave a review and continue to be with us on Be a Baller Podcast. Remember your platform is a gift your calling is a responsibility lead accordingly. As always keep building a legacy and being a baller. Thank you, Dr. Link for being a part of the show today. Thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

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